[Ibogaine] Attention Patrick, or anyone

Preston Peet prestonpeet at yahoo.com
Sun Dec 30 08:14:21 EST 2007


New Mexico Vector, and growing more fond of it day by day.
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Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:46:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Attention Patrick, or anyone

Hi Preston good to see you again, where are you living these days, what
are you doing? 

Happy New Years!

.:vector:.

--- Preston Peet <prestonpeet at yahoo.com> wrote:

> so far, speed beats even crack hands down for sheer dirty-drugness,
> in my limited experinces with speed/(in crank/glass form) and vast
> experiences with crach- and crack did me a HUGE number for years.
> I've had nothing but icky experiences with the very few times I've
> tried crank (and not too many good ones with crack either), so that's
> my two cents.
> But to outlaw it, or either? Not so sure, as a strict
> anti-prohibition. We have plenty of laws to deal with the
> aftereffects of speed use.
> Right?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Randy Faulconer <bicuitboy714 at gmail.com>
> To: The Ibogaine List <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 9:08:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Attention Patrick, or anyone
> 
> 
>              There's a big difference between crank and Adderall,
> which is time released Dexedrine, and Ritalin. I will give it to you
> in that there just might be some of these people who are self
> medicating. So, if they are self medicating, what would they be
> medicating for? ADD and ADHD? That's a possibility. Maybe severe
> depression, or manic depression. Possibly narcolepsy. 
>  
>          Crank is a pretty dirty drug from my understanding. Just
> looking at the shit they use to make it makes me cringe.
> Yea...........let's shoot some Drano. I'd like to take a night vision
> camera out to Iowa somewhere and make movies of those guys stealing
> the gaseous amonia or whatever that is that they have to steal from
> farmers. It'd be like ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZIIIPPP what the hell was
> that??? It was one of those speed freaks runnin' through the rows.
> That's it!!! Children of The Corn on crystal
> methadrine............................we'd make millions. 
> Malichi........what are you gonna do with that sling blade???
>            
>                              Sorry, I just kinda lost it there for a
> minute.
> 
>            Peace Love and Truck Stops
>                Randy
> 
> On Dec 26, 2007 5:04 PM, Nyc W. Alberts <digitalcomponents at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> I've been thinking about the speed issue for a very long time because
> of the three major illicit drugs to include it, heroin and cocaine,
> due to the long term damage it does to users, it's been the knottiest
> and thorniest problem in terms of making a case for its legalization,
> because I've never heard a credible argument for it. 
> 
> What follows has nothing to do with question Dana is raising in terms
> of medical protocols in treating speed users with ibo, before and
> after, but it is something that I want to throw out and see what
> people think. 
> 
> What I've recently come up with is that the issue with the scourge of
> street level speed is that the damage we see from it primarily stems
> mainly from the fact that it is an illegal, and therefore unregulated
> drug. 
> 
> Indeed, if one was to add up all the millions of Adderall and Ritalin
> prescriptions that are dispensed daily in the USA we see that it can
> have beneficial effects for many people, but the vast majority of
> these are done under constant medical supervision and monitoring,
> which is just not the case with street drugs. 
> 
> Also, one element of street level speed users is that we're not
> hearing discussed is that perhaps there is a percentage that are
> self-medicating; that they actually have a physical, and medical need
> to take this drug, and to come off it abruptly might do as much
> damage to them as long-term unregulated chronic use does. 
> 
> Which then kicks this question right back at the doctors and if there
> are any on this list it would be good to see what their hit on all
> this is.
> 
> ~Nyc
> 
> 
> Dana Beal wrote: 
> The question is, after they sleep it off, after you get them fed and
> stabilized, what do you do when they want a line of something. Alex
> Wodak says give them a line of dex-amphetamine (time release). I say
> a line of ibogaine. 
> 
> 
> Dana/cnw
> 
> 
> On Dec 26, 2007, at 3:01 AM, Mason Shipley wrote:
> 
> 
> ana I know that ibogaine is the solution to nearly every drug problem
> but isn't it a little nutso to dose people who are actively in a
> cocaine or speed psychosis with psychedelics? Am I wrong in somehow
> seeing this as a really bad idea? 
> 
> -Mase
> 
> 
> On Dec 25, 2007 6:59 PM, Dana Beal <dana at phantom.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> What is the protocol low-dose ibogaine taper for crystal meth
> addicition/pyschosis? 
> 
> 
> Dana/cnw
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