[Ibogaine] Attention Patrick, or anyone

Scott Doran doranman2 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 26 20:29:00 EST 2007


On Dec 26, 2007 5:04 PM, Nyc W. Alberts <digitalcomponents at gmail.com> wrote:

>  I've been thinking about the speed issue for a very long time because of
> the three major illicit drugs to include it, heroin and cocaine, due to the
> long term damage it does to users, it's been the knottiest and thorniest
> problem in terms of making a case for its legalization, because I've never
> heard a credible argument for it.
>
> What follows has nothing to do with question Dana is raising in terms of
> medical protocols in treating speed users with ibo, before and after, but it
> is something that I want to throw out and see what people think.
>
> What I've recently come up with is that the issue with the scourge of
> street level speed is that the damage we see from it primarily stems mainly
> from the fact that it is an illegal, and therefore unregulated drug.
>
> Indeed, if one was to add up all the millions of Adderall and Ritalin
> prescriptions that are dispensed daily in the USA we see that it can have
> beneficial effects for many people, but the vast majority of these are done
> under constant medical supervision and monitoring, which is just not the
> case with street drugs.
>
> Also, one element of street level speed users is that we're not hearing
> discussed is that perhaps there is a percentage that are self-medicating;
> that they actually have a physical, and medical need to take this drug, and
> to come off it abruptly might do as much damage to them as long-term
> unregulated chronic use does.
>
> Which then kicks this question right back at the doctors and if there are
> any on this list it would be good to see what their hit on all this is.
>
> ~Nyc
>
>
> Dana Beal wrote:
>
> The question is, after they sleep it off, after you get them fed and
> stabilized, what do you do when they want a line of something. Alex Wodak
> says give them a line of dex-amphetamine (time release). I say a line of
> ibogaine.
>  Dana/cnw
>
>  On Dec 26, 2007, at 3:01 AM, Mason Shipley wrote:
> I agree that persons in a psychotic state should not take Ibogaine. It
> woulf be best to be as lucid as possible. A pre- Ibogaine intervention with
> friends and family would  be ideal to reduce  using to the lowest possible
> level without causing problematic distress. I only witnessed one series of
> administrations of amphetamine which ended theraputiclly. Am elderly man was
> so depressed that he could not get out of bed to even eat. A psychiatrist,
> with whom I had a high regard, gave light does of amphetamine. The next day
> he got ut of bed on his own, ate and socialized. He was slowly weaned off
> the amphetamine and continued to gratify himself in a healthy manner. The
> Dr. quit his position after administration questioned his ethics (bad drug!,
> oh my). Chronic, heavy amphetamine abuse is of course totaly different. It
> messes up the brain so much that many are never quite the same. My gut
> reaction though, would not be to give more speed after an IBO session and
> feel that a lighter dose of IBO would be better rather than risk a return to
> the old habit. Many an addict will say anything, or act out in any way to
> get that one "last" hit. The speed or coke is what is killing them, not the
> lack of it. This is merely my opinion and not expressed to be contrary to
> those of another.
>
> ana I know that ibogaine is the solution to nearly every drug problem but
> isn't it a little nutso to dose people who are actively in a cocaine or
> speed psychosis with psychedelics? Am I wrong in somehow seeing this as a
> really bad idea?
>
> -Mase
>
> On Dec 25, 2007 6:59 PM, Dana Beal <dana at phantom.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > What is the protocol low-dose ibogaine taper for crystal meth
> > addicition/pyschosis?
> >
> >
> > Dana/cnw
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