[Ibogaine] University of the streets

Howard Lotsof hslotsof at phantom.com
Tue Dec 18 23:02:57 EST 2007

If you will look at the table in the article it indicates how many  
patients were treated at which facility.  All information came from  
providers and was tracked over a period of some years.  Some of the  
providers treated less than a dozen patients, Panama and Brazil for  
instance.  While other providers were running approximately 400  
patients, Mallendi's operations before the French authorities  
restricted ibogaine and Taub.  Internet providers were not included  
as we could not obtain sufficient data. If you will read the earlier  
Alper et al. ibogaine history paper <www.ibogaine.org/history.html>  
and correlate it with the current medical subculture paper you can  
get a pretty good idea of the time frame of the various provides that  
is at most seven years.  All of the counties included in the  
Wikipedia article except New Zealand are included in one or both  
papers.  If you have followed the communications on this list over  
the years I don't think they indicate more than a dozen patients  
treated in New Zealand.  The paper only included operations working  
in the open, having web pages or included in media or scientific  
publications.  A good deal of the wikipedia article was written by  
persons on this list.

I believe the cutoff for data on patients treated was February 2006.   
All of the major ibogaine providers are included.  If you think there  
is some vast undisclosed subset of patients other than those who  
bought ibogaine over the internet, please let us know.  Thanks


On Dec 18, 2007, at 10:06 PM, Nyc W. Alberts wrote:

> Well, the Wikipedia lists these countries as having Ibogaine  
> Clinics, Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, Costa Rica, the Czech  
> Republic, France, Slovenia, the Netherlands, Brazil, South Africa,  
> the United Kingdom and New Zealand, which, if the the 3,400 were  
> divided equally, that would average out to about 285 patients per.
> There's no time frame for how long these places have been in  
> operation, and some of the folks that I've spoken to they said that  
> they've single-handedly administered more treatments, so I'm  
> inclined to think that the 3,400 is somewhat low.
> ~Nyc
> Howard Lotsof wrote:
>> On Dec 18, 2007, at 2:29 AM, Brad Hays wrote:
>>> Hey Howard, I'm not questioning but i've wondered how is the  
>>> number 3400 arrived at? Like what percentage is from concrete  
>>> sources and whats guestimation? Is there a +/- factor? If  
>>> anything i'm guessing the actual number'd be higher, least I hope
>> It is all data received from providers who met the criteria  
>> described in the paper,The Ibogaine Medical Subculture. Actual  
>> treatment figures meeting projected values increased the number  
>> into the four thousand plus area but, significant smaller  
>> operations were left out including internet point of sales which  
>> could be significant. that may not be that small The figures are  
>> conservative and of the date indicated in the paper. Howard -= 
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