[Ibogaine] Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa(Paul)

grasshopper rwd3 at cox.net
Fri Oct 27 05:48:25 EDT 2006


I didn't make it Gang. 2 sessions and I flunked. Couldn't work, couldn't do 
shite and can't do IBO again. I'm not way out there again, but chippin away. 
I fear the day and don't have the time from workto make the whole circle. I 
think it's going to be a bad ending. Hope I'm wrong. ron
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Brookshaw" <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in 
usa(Paul)


> Hello Brad,
>             I am forty four brother, I was fourty three when I got 
> unsprunge with Iboga.
> A wonderful experience, but extreemly distressing. For sure the most 
> powerful physical and psycological experience of my whole life and never 
> shall be repeated. Opiates suck, big time.
> For the first week I felt kind of numb, then things just got more and more 
> intence.
> Sweating,freezing, flushing, goose flesh and a lot  I can say of non 
> physical pain. My only sight at this point was that my body had in it what 
> I needed to sort itself out, and if not well there was fuck all I could do 
> about it, so if this was the way things where, I would just have to live 
> with it. I gave up. Slight changes in temperature where extreemly painful, 
> as my skin kept goosing up with uncontrolled energy. No bone crushing pain 
> though. At one point I just became a bag of skin and bones on the bed
> I was quite suprised at being so high, tripped out and having to deal with 
> all the strange body sensations (extreemly numb, with inner sensitivity, 
> that kept shifting all the time, like hundreds of furry animals running 
> over my skin) that I was able to sleep a little.
>
>
> Thirty seven days after Iboga, I was still experiencing flushing and 
> goosing.
>
> I had to rap my upper body in bath towels as my chest kept sweating. 
> Nothing worse than freezing sweat.
>
> From what I have read over the years, I can't match any others experience 
> close to mine.
>
> I got so out of it in the end that I could not even type or send emails.
>
>
> I had a rough time.
>
> Glad it's all in the past and i can now put it all down to experience.
>
> One point I would like to make is that the experience was OTT Extreem.
> If I hadn't have been so resigned to the fact that I was dead anyway, I 
> know that I would have broken. I couldn't go back to living a life of 
> SCAG. I had lived that life and got nothing but pain from it.
> But in the end I just gave up, as I was so ill, I couldn't get any more 
> so, other than die.
> My inner instinct told me that it would all sort itself out in the end.
>
> My wife was the one that kept me up and fighting. Food and drink, little 
> and often.
>
> I just looked in my diary and even 73 days after Iboga I was still 
> experiencing flushing and goosing and I could still feel the Iboga.
>
> For two days the chaos was so much (day 20 and 21) physical and mental 
> that all I could do was sit in the bath, with all the curtains closed, 
> heating on, loud music, sing, scream, dance and pray.
> A bit like exorcising my own demons
>
>
> The music anabled me to get angry an redirect my energies
>
>
> Sure stuck my faith back in the right place.                    In myself 
> and my creator.
>
> Still moistens my eyes and puts a lump in my throat to think of it.
>
> The first link is to what I wrote before Iboga.
>
>
> http://www.iboga.i8.com/custom2.html
>
> The next link is whilst I was on Iboga trying to get enough energy to 
> oporate properly.
>
> Well Brad, more than you asked for.
>
> One hell of a long journey mate, but the life I am living now does not 
> compare to the hell I came from.
>
>                                              Have a good one.    Bless P'
>
>
> http://www.iboga.i8.com/custom.html
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Brad Hays" <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
>>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a 
>>criminal trial lawyer in usa(Brad)
>>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:54:04 -0400
>>
>>Mind if I ask, what's your age Paul?
>>
>>On 10/25/06, Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Ron,
>>>         Your after Ibo experience sounds pretty much like mine. Flat out
>>>and dead. No energy and I spent most of the first three weeks in the bath
>>>or
>>>in bed.
>>>After I got home, I stopped the Benzos and let the Iboga take control.
>>>I spent five days at Sara's, then flew home and spent the next 18 days on
>>>the bathroom floor, in the bath, in bed, or just5 crapped out listening 
>>>to
>>>music in the living room and trying to right.
>>>The eating and drinking thing is aquired by doing, and was the only thing
>>>that got me off the bathroom floor. So incredibly weak. Honey sandwiches
>>>and
>>>cups of tea was the only thing that gave me the energy to breath.
>>>The weakness is strange as it just leaves you like you want to give up 
>>>and
>>>die, but breathing still continues.
>>>This weakness had started to leave 23 days after ingestion of Iboga and 
>>>18
>>>days after I stopped the Valium.
>>>If I hadn't have had the baths and showers, I don't think that I could
>>>have
>>>made it.
>>>After stopping the Benzos things went kind of crazy.
>>>Not so much in my head, but feelings in my body and skin. I felt for over
>>>a
>>>week that I had furry animals crawling all over my body.
>>>So you say your age was your dying factor, I say that I know what you
>>>where
>>>feeling.
>>>Completely flat out of energy only enough to beath with.
>>>Once your body starts to get used to eating and drinking. Things get
>>>better.
>>>But I can attest to the first three weeks as being hell.
>>>I told you Ron at the time, you would need at least five weeks. Three for
>>>the rattle and two for recovery.
>>>I could just about go out and to the shops after 18 days. After being 
>>>home
>>>for two weeks.
>>>In my experience you would have done better to drop the benzos first.
>>>                                           Been thinking of you. Love 
>>> Paul'
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "grasshopper" <rwd3 at cox.net>
>>> >Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>> >To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> >Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a
>>> >criminal trial lawyer in usa(Brad)
>>> >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:08:01 -0500
>>> >
>>> >I sure would like Howard's take on this or Marko's or Schmooly's or
>>>Sara's.
>>> >   ----- Original Message -----
>>> >   From: Brad Hays
>>> >   To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>> >   Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:08 AM
>>> >   Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal 
>>> > trial
>>> >lawyer in usa(Brad)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   Thanks for the update grasshopper.  Every treatment report, at this
>>> >point, is extremely valuable, the way I see it; because, when usage of
>>>Ibo
>>> >goes up in the future we should expect to see more of these 'one time
>>> >events' that we're seeing now.
>>> >
>>> >   Godspeed to ya
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   On 10/19/06, grasshopper <rwd3 at cox.net> wrote:
>>> >     Brad:
>>> >     I never made it more than 3 weeks, during which time it was all I
>>> >could do to just go to the bathroom. Prior to the session,  I had been
>>>on
>>>a
>>> >5 yr. run of 10 80 mg. oxys a day on average and a pile of benzos.  I
>>>never
>>> >missed a day.  Also I was washing it down occasionally w/ 100+ mg.  of
>>> >methadone.
>>> >     Maybe it was the long lasting stuff I was using or my age,  who
>>>knows?
>>> >  The aftermath was almost as bad as the w/ drawals.  Anyone have any
>>> >insight into this?  The session killed the w/ drawals but the aftermath
>>> >damn near killed me.  I wanted to eat but couldn't, I wanted to drink
>>>but
>>> >couldn't.  Maybe I just beat the crap out of myself presession or maybe
>>>I
>>> >just couldn't produce any endorphins.  I think the question would 
>>> >better
>>>be
>>> >directed to those who have stats on sessions or more contact w/
>>>providers.
>>> >I may be an anomaly. Ron
>>> >       ----- Original Message -----
>>> >       From: Brad Hays
>>> >       To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>> >       Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:24 PM
>>> >       Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in
>>> >usa(Paul)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >       Hey there grasshopper,
>>> >
>>> >       How long did it take for you to feel like just generally getting
>>>out
>>> >of the house and doing stuff like errands?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >       On 10/19/06, grasshopper <rwd3 at cox.net> wrote:
>>> >         Glad you made my friend,  I neither had the time for complete
>>> >recovery after
>>> >         IBO nor the stamina.  For me, post IBO  presented a  whole
>>>other
>>> >situation,
>>> >         i.e.  I was left a shivering , dehydrated, non eating,
>>>lethargic
>>> >wreck
>>> >         despite the efforts of my provider who went way beyond the 
>>> > call
>>>of
>>> >duty.
>>> >         HOWARD:  I am curious as to your take on aging
>>>junkies....either
>>>I
>>> >am a wuss
>>> >         or my age played a significant role in what happened after the
>>> >session...in
>>> >         other words I was beat to shite and felt like dying..no w/d
>>> >syndrome but I
>>> >         couldn't get out of bed or eat. In essence,  I experienced
>>> >another pain
>>> >         which was unexpected and just as debilatating(sic) as the w/d
>>> >syndrome.
>>> >         All I could think about was making the pain go away,  not
>>>getting
>>> >high, just
>>> >         getting well..sort of like the swine flu only worse. Anyone
>>>else
>>> >in their
>>> >         late 50's experience such symptoms?  I figure I needed at 
>>> > least
>>>6
>>> >weeks to
>>> >         make a go of it.  do you think that my body's inability to
>>>produce
>>> >         endorphins had something to do with it? No natural pain
>>>relievers,
>>> >no
>>> >         appetite, extreme lethargy, no sex drive and nothing produced
>>> >naturally to
>>> >         make me feel good.  I realize these things take time for
>>> >everything to start
>>> >         firing again,  but Jeez it suxed.
>>> >         ron
>>> >         ----- Original Message -----
>>> >         From: "Paul Brookshaw" <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
>>> >         To: < ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> >         Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:05 AM
>>> >         Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in
>>>usa
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >         > Hi Ron,
>>> >         >         Well if you ain't the man at the top, anywhere youi
>>>will
>>> >always be
>>> >         > treated like cattle.
>>> >         >                                            Humanity is
>>>shameful.
>>> >         > The French Connection was a good one Mr Bush lol.
>>> >         >                                                 Have a good
>>>one
>>> >P'
>>> >         >
>>> >         >
>>> >         >>From: "grasshopper" < rwd3 at cox.net>
>>> >         >>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>> >         >>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> >         >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer 
>>> > in
>>> >usa
>>> >         >>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:00:20 -0500
>>> >         >>
>>> >         >>Rehab in USA:
>>> >         >>1) Public Funded Rehab:  for those that do not have money
>>> >         >>    Protocol for opiates:  catapress ( blood pressure med )
>>>and
>>> >robabaxin
>>> >         >> for detox
>>> >         >>                                      does nothing to
>>>alleviate
>>> >withdrawal
>>> >         >> symptoms
>>> >         >>                                      similar to cold turkey
>>> >         >>2) Middle income rehab:  1 week taper on suboxone and the
>>>other
>>> >meds above
>>> >         >>                                          withdrawal 
>>> > syndrome
>>> >big time
>>> >         >> after a week
>>> >         >>3)  Fat cat cash only rehab:  30, 000 US up front for 30 
>>> > days
>>>in
>>> >patient
>>> >         >>                                             bup or suboxone
>>>for
>>> >a longer
>>> >         >> period
>>> >         >>All the above rely on 12 step  after care
>>> >         >>Bottom line:  in the US the medical consensus is that the
>>>addict
>>> >MUST feel
>>> >         >>pain because he / she has been a bad person and must suffer
>>>and
>>> >treatment
>>> >         >>is dictated by how much insurance will pay or cash the 
>>> > addict
>>> >has,  not
>>> >         >>the condition  of the addict  who wants to recover.  Thanks
>>> >George for all
>>> >         >>your compassion.  Bad addicts! grasshopper No wonder many of
>>>us
>>> >resort to
>>> >         >>the Big Sleep
>>> >         >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Brookshaw"
>>> ><jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk >
>>> >         >>To: < ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> >         >>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:13 AM
>>> >         >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer 
>>> > in
>>> >usa
>>> >         >>
>>> >         >>
>>> >         >>>The prosses is going the same way here in Norwich UK.
>>> >         >>>The drug agencies can only seem to keep you addicted to
>>> >Methadone. Keeps
>>> >         >>>them in a job.
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>If you are serious about doing a rehab, you still have to 
>>> > be
>>>a
>>> >statistic
>>> >         >>>and get lots of counceling.
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>Keeps them in a job.
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>After you get clean and start to get your life back
>>>together,
>>> >they still
>>> >         >>>don't want to let you go as
>>> >         >>>you are said to need lots of Psycho Therapy.
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>Keeping more so called poffesionals in a job.
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>If man did not have a prepensity to self medicate, then
>>>there
>>> >would be
>>> >         >>>one hell of a lot of so called proffesionals looking for
>>> >alternative
>>> >         >>>employment.
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>                             MONEY
>>> >         >>> <------------------------------------------------->PEOPLE
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>Seems like a real bad ballance that one.
>>> >         >>>
>>> >      P'
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>> P.S. Howard,
>>> >         >>>                 No disrespect meant, but if the statistics
>>> >that you get
>>> >         >>> say that the UK is a low dose Methadone dosing Country,
>>>then
>>> >how much is
>>> >         >>> the average daily dose in the States?
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>Statistics.
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>Is that just keeping someone else in a job ?
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>
>>> >    P'
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>
>>> >         >>>>From: "Nick Sandberg" < nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
>>> >         >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>> >         >>>>To: < ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> >         >>>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer
>>>in
>>> >usa
>>> >         >>>>Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:12:27 +0100
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>What I heard recently is that the UK government are
>>> >progressively giving
>>> >         >>>>up
>>> >         >>>>on trying to treat addiction through residential care.
>>>Funding
>>> >is going
>>> >         >>>>down
>>> >         >>>>for rehab centres and places now harder to find if you
>>>don't
>>> >have the
>>> >         >>>>money
>>> >         >>>>yourself.
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>Nick
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>> >         >>>>   From: firefly [mailto: lik4luk at yahoo.com.au]
>>> >         >>>>   Sent: 05 October 2006 10:43
>>> >         >>>>   To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>> >         >>>>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial
>>>lawyer
>>> >in usa
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>   Funny statements=addicts are diseased and not worth
>>> >helping.
>>> >         >>>>   YEAH RITE!
>>> >         >>>>   We all started the same innocent and clean-we can all
>>>end
>>> >the same
>>> >         >>>> with
>>> >         >>>>support and understanding.
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>   HSLotsof at aol.com wrote:
>>> >         >>>>     Hi,
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>     I am not sure what you mean by "that is one of the
>>> >funniest
>>> >         >>>> statements I
>>> >         >>>>have read."
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>     Howard
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>     In a message dated 10/4/06 9:25:34 AM,
>>> >jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk writes:
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>       That is not in keeping with the information I
>>>receive
>>> >indicating
>>> >         >>>> the
>>> >         >>>>UK is a
>>> >         >>>>       low dose methadone country.  What is the average
>>>dose
>>> >of
>>> >         >>>> methadone you
>>> >         >>>>know
>>> >         >>>>       of in the UK?
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>       Hell Howard, that is one of the funniest statements
>>>I
>>> >have read.
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>       An avarage Methadone dose here is 80ml. They try to
>>> >drop you to
>>> >         >>>> 50ml
>>> >         >>>>if you
>>> >         >>>>       are willing, but most everyone gets 50ml to 100ml
>>> >daily.
>>> >         >>>>       Cock up to many times with dirty samples and they
>>>flood
>>> >you with
>>> >         >>>> the
>>> >         >>>>Green
>>> >         >>>>       devil.
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>       Real glad I am out of all that shit once and for
>>>all.
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>
>>> >         >>>>
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