[Ibogaine] Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa(Brad)

Brad Hays bradleyheathhays at gmail.com
Wed Oct 25 15:54:04 EDT 2006


Mind if I ask, what's your age Paul?

On 10/25/06, Paul Brookshaw <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Ron,
>         Your after Ibo experience sounds pretty much like mine. Flat out
> and dead. No energy and I spent most of the first three weeks in the bath
> or
> in bed.
> After I got home, I stopped the Benzos and let the Iboga take control.
> I spent five days at Sara's, then flew home and spent the next 18 days on
> the bathroom floor, in the bath, in bed, or just5 crapped out listening to
> music in the living room and trying to right.
> The eating and drinking thing is aquired by doing, and was the only thing
> that got me off the bathroom floor. So incredibly weak. Honey sandwiches
> and
> cups of tea was the only thing that gave me the energy to breath.
> The weakness is strange as it just leaves you like you want to give up and
> die, but breathing still continues.
> This weakness had started to leave 23 days after ingestion of Iboga and 18
> days after I stopped the Valium.
> If I hadn't have had the baths and showers, I don't think that I could
> have
> made it.
> After stopping the Benzos things went kind of crazy.
> Not so much in my head, but feelings in my body and skin. I felt for over
> a
> week that I had furry animals crawling all over my body.
> So you say your age was your dying factor, I say that I know what you
> where
> feeling.
> Completely flat out of energy only enough to beath with.
> Once your body starts to get used to eating and drinking. Things get
> better.
> But I can attest to the first three weeks as being hell.
> I told you Ron at the time, you would need at least five weeks. Three for
> the rattle and two for recovery.
> I could just about go out and to the shops after 18 days. After being home
> for two weeks.
> In my experience you would have done better to drop the benzos first.
>                                           Been thinking of you. Love Paul'
>
>
> >From: "grasshopper" <rwd3 at cox.net>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a
> >criminal trial lawyer in usa(Brad)
> >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:08:01 -0500
> >
> >I sure would like Howard's take on this or Marko's or Schmooly's or
> Sara's.
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Brad Hays
> >   To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >   Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:08 AM
> >   Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial
> >lawyer in usa(Brad)
> >
> >
> >   Thanks for the update grasshopper.  Every treatment report, at this
> >point, is extremely valuable, the way I see it; because, when usage of
> Ibo
> >goes up in the future we should expect to see more of these 'one time
> >events' that we're seeing now.
> >
> >   Godspeed to ya
> >
> >
> >   On 10/19/06, grasshopper <rwd3 at cox.net> wrote:
> >     Brad:
> >     I never made it more than 3 weeks, during which time it was all I
> >could do to just go to the bathroom. Prior to the session,  I had been on
> a
> >5 yr. run of 10 80 mg. oxys a day on average and a pile of benzos.  I
> never
> >missed a day.  Also I was washing it down occasionally w/ 100+ mg.  of
> >methadone.
> >     Maybe it was the long lasting stuff I was using or my age,  who
> knows?
> >  The aftermath was almost as bad as the w/ drawals.  Anyone have any
> >insight into this?  The session killed the w/ drawals but the aftermath
> >damn near killed me.  I wanted to eat but couldn't, I wanted to drink but
> >couldn't.  Maybe I just beat the crap out of myself presession or maybe I
> >just couldn't produce any endorphins.  I think the question would better
> be
> >directed to those who have stats on sessions or more contact w/
> providers.
> >I may be an anomaly. Ron
> >       ----- Original Message -----
> >       From: Brad Hays
> >       To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >       Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:24 PM
> >       Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in
> >usa(Paul)
> >
> >
> >       Hey there grasshopper,
> >
> >       How long did it take for you to feel like just generally getting
> out
> >of the house and doing stuff like errands?
> >
> >
> >       On 10/19/06, grasshopper <rwd3 at cox.net> wrote:
> >         Glad you made my friend,  I neither had the time for complete
> >recovery after
> >         IBO nor the stamina.  For me, post IBO  presented a  whole other
> >situation,
> >         i.e.  I was left a shivering , dehydrated, non eating, lethargic
> >wreck
> >         despite the efforts of my provider who went way beyond the call
> of
> >duty.
> >         HOWARD:  I am curious as to your take on aging junkies....either
> I
> >am a wuss
> >         or my age played a significant role in what happened after the
> >session...in
> >         other words I was beat to shite and felt like dying..no w/d
> >syndrome but I
> >         couldn't get out of bed or eat. In essence,  I experienced
> >another pain
> >         which was unexpected and just as debilatating(sic) as the w/d
> >syndrome.
> >         All I could think about was making the pain go away,  not
> getting
> >high, just
> >         getting well..sort of like the swine flu only worse. Anyone else
> >in their
> >         late 50's experience such symptoms?  I figure I needed at least
> 6
> >weeks to
> >         make a go of it.  do you think that my body's inability to
> produce
> >         endorphins had something to do with it? No natural pain
> relievers,
> >no
> >         appetite, extreme lethargy, no sex drive and nothing produced
> >naturally to
> >         make me feel good.  I realize these things take time for
> >everything to start
> >         firing again,  but Jeez it suxed.
> >         ron
> >         ----- Original Message -----
> >         From: "Paul Brookshaw" <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
> >         To: < ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >         Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:05 AM
> >         Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in
> usa
> >
> >
> >         > Hi Ron,
> >         >         Well if you ain't the man at the top, anywhere youi
> will
> >always be
> >         > treated like cattle.
> >         >                                            Humanity is
> shameful.
> >         > The French Connection was a good one Mr Bush lol.
> >         >                                                 Have a good
> one
> >P'
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >>From: "grasshopper" < rwd3 at cox.net>
> >         >>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >         >>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >         >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in
> >usa
> >         >>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:00:20 -0500
> >         >>
> >         >>Rehab in USA:
> >         >>1) Public Funded Rehab:  for those that do not have money
> >         >>    Protocol for opiates:  catapress ( blood pressure med )
> and
> >robabaxin
> >         >> for detox
> >         >>                                      does nothing to
> alleviate
> >withdrawal
> >         >> symptoms
> >         >>                                      similar to cold turkey
> >         >>2) Middle income rehab:  1 week taper on suboxone and the
> other
> >meds above
> >         >>                                          withdrawal syndrome
> >big time
> >         >> after a week
> >         >>3)  Fat cat cash only rehab:  30, 000 US up front for 30 days
> in
> >patient
> >         >>                                             bup or suboxone
> for
> >a longer
> >         >> period
> >         >>All the above rely on 12 step  after care
> >         >>Bottom line:  in the US the medical consensus is that the
> addict
> >MUST feel
> >         >>pain because he / she has been a bad person and must suffer
> and
> >treatment
> >         >>is dictated by how much insurance will pay or cash the addict
> >has,  not
> >         >>the condition  of the addict  who wants to recover.  Thanks
> >George for all
> >         >>your compassion.  Bad addicts! grasshopper No wonder many of
> us
> >resort to
> >         >>the Big Sleep
> >         >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Brookshaw"
> ><jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk >
> >         >>To: < ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >         >>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:13 AM
> >         >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in
> >usa
> >         >>
> >         >>
> >         >>>The prosses is going the same way here in Norwich UK.
> >         >>>The drug agencies can only seem to keep you addicted to
> >Methadone. Keeps
> >         >>>them in a job.
> >         >>>
> >         >>>If you are serious about doing a rehab, you still have to be
> a
> >statistic
> >         >>>and get lots of counceling.
> >         >>>
> >         >>>Keeps them in a job.
> >         >>>
> >         >>>After you get clean and start to get your life back together,
> >they still
> >         >>>don't want to let you go as
> >         >>>you are said to need lots of Psycho Therapy.
> >         >>>
> >         >>>Keeping more so called poffesionals in a job.
> >         >>>
> >         >>>If man did not have a prepensity to self medicate, then there
> >would be
> >         >>>one hell of a lot of so called proffesionals looking for
> >alternative
> >         >>>employment.
> >         >>>
> >         >>>                             MONEY
> >         >>> <------------------------------------------------->PEOPLE
> >         >>>
> >         >>>
> >         >>>Seems like a real bad ballance that one.
> >         >>>
> >      P'
> >         >>>
> >         >>>
> >         >>> P.S. Howard,
> >         >>>                 No disrespect meant, but if the statistics
> >that you get
> >         >>> say that the UK is a low dose Methadone dosing Country, then
> >how much is
> >         >>> the average daily dose in the States?
> >         >>>
> >         >>>Statistics.
> >         >>>
> >         >>>Is that just keeping someone else in a job ?
> >         >>>
> >         >>>
> >    P'
> >         >>>
> >         >>>
> >         >>>>From: "Nick Sandberg" < nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
> >         >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >         >>>>To: < ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >         >>>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer
> in
> >usa
> >         >>>>Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:12:27 +0100
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>What I heard recently is that the UK government are
> >progressively giving
> >         >>>>up
> >         >>>>on trying to treat addiction through residential care.
> Funding
> >is going
> >         >>>>down
> >         >>>>for rehab centres and places now harder to find if you don't
> >have the
> >         >>>>money
> >         >>>>yourself.
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>Nick
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>   -----Original Message-----
> >         >>>>   From: firefly [mailto: lik4luk at yahoo.com.au]
> >         >>>>   Sent: 05 October 2006 10:43
> >         >>>>   To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >         >>>>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial
> lawyer
> >in usa
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>   Funny statements=addicts are diseased and not worth
> >helping.
> >         >>>>   YEAH RITE!
> >         >>>>   We all started the same innocent and clean-we can all end
> >the same
> >         >>>> with
> >         >>>>support and understanding.
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>   HSLotsof at aol.com wrote:
> >         >>>>     Hi,
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>     I am not sure what you mean by "that is one of the
> >funniest
> >         >>>> statements I
> >         >>>>have read."
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>     Howard
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>     In a message dated 10/4/06 9:25:34 AM,
> >jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk writes:
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>       That is not in keeping with the information I receive
> >indicating
> >         >>>> the
> >         >>>>UK is a
> >         >>>>       low dose methadone country.  What is the average dose
> >of
> >         >>>> methadone you
> >         >>>>know
> >         >>>>       of in the UK?
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>       Hell Howard, that is one of the funniest statements I
> >have read.
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>       An avarage Methadone dose here is 80ml. They try to
> >drop you to
> >         >>>> 50ml
> >         >>>>if you
> >         >>>>       are willing, but most everyone gets 50ml to 100ml
> >daily.
> >         >>>>       Cock up to many times with dirty samples and they
> flood
> >you with
> >         >>>> the
> >         >>>>Green
> >         >>>>       devil.
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>       Real glad I am out of all that shit once and for all.
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >         >>>>
> >
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