[Ibogaine] ibo addiction (Brad)

Brad Hays bradleyheathhays at gmail.com
Sat Oct 21 19:22:49 EDT 2006


Hey grasshopper.  I wish I could help ya but I'm sorry, I really don't have
any statistics on Ibo reactions...only what I've kept in my head from the
reading I've done here on the net.  My background has some post-grad medical
type research included therein (protocols and stuff), but nothing involving
Ibo.  Even though I've not mentioned it, I'd imagine some of that may come
across in my writing giving that kind of impression.  Hope you find the
numbers you're looking for and hope you're doin alright.

Godspeed


On 10/21/06, grasshopper <rwd3 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>  Brad:
> Any stats on my situation?  Jasen had a realistic take on it but I didn't
> know you were in the biz and studying results. I'm the one that got the hell
> beat out of him during both sessions. No w/drawals but boy what an
> aftershock.  Still fighting the dragon and afraid to do another session.
> Thanks.  Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:37 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] ibo addiction
>
>
> Not much time to talk, but just wanted to drop a line to say thanks for
> your response Norman.  Got a little better idea now of what we're talking
> about, and the effect seems transient, which is what I was hoping to hear.
> BTW, your program needs to be copied many times over on every
> continent.  Well done, my friend, well done.
>
> On 10/20/06, edward conn <wardconn at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Norman,
> >
> > your program sounds great and i think what you are doing is exactly what
> > ibogaine requires, after all it is a tool which is used within a tight
> > sociological setting in situ in gabon. Coupled with that it is a lack of
> > emotional, and sociological aswell as psychological bases which often
> > lead
> > to peoples down fall in life in the first place.
> >
> > I have found the same as yourself whilst working with ibogaine. After
> > some
> > three years I changed my method of working to encorporate a long term
> > holding process, on average about three months of pre and post treatment
> > support but as long as a year or more for others. Having been working in
> >
> > this way for three years afterward, i conducted a brief analysis of
> > results
> > over some 25 individuals ageing from 21-56. Long term prognosis had
> > increased to aprox. 75% staying clean, which actually increased after a
> > year
> > to closer to 90%.
> >
> > The reason for this was person specific, and as I looked over my notes
> > from
> > the early consultations the clarity of this for the particular person
> > would
> > become clear. Some people needed a wider sense of security, or more
> > exactly
> > had very little if any form of real security in their lives. So a little
> > longer was needed for their soul if you like to set them back into a new
> > holding environment, perhaps a better relationship for example.Therefore
> > giving them back what they lacked in the first place. I know that in
> > some of
> > these cases if I had not been able to offer ongoing care the outlook
> > would
> > have been very different, which is a worry consideration. This result
> > base
> > has been recently published, but unfortunately only available in Italian
> > at
> > the moment.If anybody would like to know please contact me.
> >
> > I use a transpersonal psychological model and training to aid this
> > process
> > and this adoption has made a world of difference, infact it is now where
> > I
> > intend to concentrate my focus. There are more providers out there by
> > the
> > month but no growth or little in support. If I could in any way do this
> > it
> > would give me a great deal of pleasure.
> >
> > My conclusion is that without this long term pre and post perspective
> > and
> > facility, results are around about 40-50% success, simply because life
> > skill, life knowledge are absent, there is nothing to fall back on, so
> > really what can be expected.
> >
> > What I have also learnt is that this support can be offered by telephone
> > if
> > necessary, and many of my clients who were not able to travel regularly
> > used
> > this service. What I would like to be able to do is offer this more
> > widely,
> > to people who are perhaps having treatment but lack the specialised
> > support.
> >
> > If any body has a response to this I would be very interrested. Some
> > feedback would be probably fuel to me putting something of greater
> > extension
> > into place.
> >
> > Sadly, over the years I have heard of cases of where I have guessed that
> > poeple probably would have fared better if support was available, but
> > these
> > are still early days relatively.
> >
> > Six years of working with ibogaine and three or more of those using
> > therapeutic ongoing support have taught me a lot about the potential of
> > this
> > substance and the potentiated long term efficacy that goes with
> > conducive
> > and visionary support.
> >
> > Ed.
> >
> > www.becomewhole.co.uk
> >
> >
> > >From: Norman Brown <secundumvitae at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > >To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibo addiction
> > >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:41:49 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Hi Randy,
> > >   Thank you for your comments!
> > >   We have found that a follow up program is essential for ibogaine. If
> > we
> > >had not been there for several of our clients they would have just
> > fallen
> > >back into their old patterns. It is mostly a process of showing people
> > >options that they can choose for their lives and reconditioning.
> > Although
> > >we are not mainly a drug interuption program we feel that if those that
> > are
> > >drug interruption programs were to extend their program by one week and
> >
> > >gave a loving support therapy program there would at least be a 50%
> > >increase in their success rate. We also feel from our experience that
> > it is
> > >possible to reach 95 to 98% sucess rate with ibogaine. (Of course we
> > have
> > >only been at this for one year and our statistics may adjust over
> > time.) It
> > >just takes the right follow up program. We have treat over 40 people so
> > far
> > >and are coming up on our one year anniversary for several individuals
> > who
> > >are living a happier life than ever before. Out of 40 people we have
> > only
> > >one who says that ibogaine
> > >  did nothing for them, although she is no longer obsessing about her
> > >relationship that has been over for 5 years and she has moved on to
> > seek a
> > >new relationship, which is the reason that she did ibogaine in the
> > first
> > >place. If the client says it failed for them then we count it as a
> > failure.
> > >   At this point we are not in a financial position to attend to our
> > work
> > >as a research facility, but when the funding becomes available we will
> > do
> > >more to document our work and then governments will have no excuse left
> > to
> > >say that ibogaine is not a reasonable therapeutic tool for not just
> > drug
> > >interuption.
> > >   Have a great day!
> > >   Norman
> > >
> > >BiscuitBoy714 at aol.com wrote:
> > >         In a message dated 10/18/2006 6:34:58 A.M. Eastern Standard
> > Time,
> > >secundumvitae at yahoo.com writes:
> > >     Our programs are a minimum of one month, which is the ibogaine
> > >treatment followed up with a reprograming process which combines
> > eastern
> > >and western philosophy and psychology.
> > >   We have found that ibogaine is an excellent tool for life change
> > >especially when suplemented with a program designed to accomplish just
> > >that.
> > >   At this point we are not treating heroine addiction, there are
> > plenty of
> > >facilities around the world for that. We are not an "end my problem and
> > let
> > >me get on with my life" program. Not that there is anything wrong with
> > >that. We are here to help people change their lives.
> > >
> > >
> > >   Norman, once again I have to say that what you are doing is so cool,
> > to
> > >put it plainly. Lots of us feel the same way here in the US, but it
> > being
> > >illegal to use Ibogaine it's almost impossible to achieve this program.
> > I
> > >know the people who were responsible in treating me had something like
> > this
> > >in mind but had to leave it up to me to implement it. Well, I felt so
> > great
> > >afterwards that I saw no reason for follow up treatment. I found out
> > later
> > >that this was not the case and have since sought therapy and other
> > means of
> > >improving my life and lifestyle. Maybe your success will spur some
> > >financiers to start some follow up programs like yours. We would have
> > to go
> > >out of the states for the treatment then immediately go into such an
> > >aftercare program. I think the results of this would be so positive and
> > the
> > >recidivism rates would be so low for addiction that the FDA would have
> > to
> > >rethink their stand on Ibogaine. I know it sure would have helped me
> > and
> > >saved me a lot of struggles.
> > >  My struggles continue but I remain steadfast in my belief that
> > Ibogaine
> > >could help untold amounts of people improve their quality of life for a
> >
> > >variety of ailments here in the US. It looks like that is what they are
> > >doing in Vancouver, and kind of what Sara is doing in Amsterdam to me
> > but
> > >they can speak for themselves. I sure wish I could have gone to a
> > program
> > >like this. Hindsight is always 20/20.      Randy
> > >
> > >
> > >
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