[Ibogaine] ibo addiction

grasshopper rwd3 at cox.net
Sat Oct 21 13:39:10 EDT 2006


Ed:
MY bad...I thought Brad was doing the research.  Any stats on my sitch?  If 
you didn't catch the post,  I'll run them to you again.  Thanks.  Ron..sorry 
Brad
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edward conn" <wardconn at hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibo addiction


> Norman,
>
> your program sounds great and i think what you are doing is exactly what 
> ibogaine requires, after all it is a tool which is used within a tight 
> sociological setting in situ in gabon. Coupled with that it is a lack of 
> emotional, and sociological aswell as psychological bases which often lead 
> to peoples down fall in life in the first place.
>
> I have found the same as yourself whilst working with ibogaine. After some 
> three years I changed my method of working to encorporate a long term 
> holding process, on average about three months of pre and post treatment 
> support but as long as a year or more for others. Having been working in 
> this way for three years afterward, i conducted a brief analysis of 
> results over some 25 individuals ageing from 21-56. Long term prognosis 
> had increased to aprox. 75% staying clean, which actually increased after 
> a year to closer to 90%.
>
> The reason for this was person specific, and as I looked over my notes 
> from the early consultations the clarity of this for the particular person 
> would become clear. Some people needed a wider sense of security, or more 
> exactly had very little if any form of real security in their lives. So a 
> little longer was needed for their soul if you like to set them back into 
> a new holding environment, perhaps a better relationship for 
> example.Therefore giving them back what they lacked in the first place. I 
> know that in some of these cases if I had not been able to offer ongoing 
> care the outlook would have been very different, which is a worry 
> consideration. This result base has been recently published, but 
> unfortunately only available in Italian at the moment.If anybody would 
> like to know please contact me.
>
> I use a transpersonal psychological model and training to aid this process 
> and this adoption has made a world of difference, infact it is now where I 
> intend to concentrate my focus. There are more providers out there by the 
> month but no growth or little in support. If I could in any way do this it 
> would give me a great deal of pleasure.
>
> My conclusion is that without this long term pre and post perspective and 
> facility, results are around about 40-50% success, simply because life 
> skill, life knowledge are absent, there is nothing to fall back on, so 
> really what can be expected.
>
> What I have also learnt is that this support can be offered by telephone 
> if necessary, and many of my clients who were not able to travel regularly 
> used this service. What I would like to be able to do is offer this more 
> widely, to people who are perhaps having treatment but lack the 
> specialised support.
>
> If any body has a response to this I would be very interrested. Some 
> feedback would be probably fuel to me putting something of greater 
> extension into place.
>
> Sadly, over the years I have heard of cases of where I have guessed that 
> poeple probably would have fared better if support was available, but 
> these are still early days relatively.
>
> Six years of working with ibogaine and three or more of those using 
> therapeutic ongoing support have taught me a lot about the potential of 
> this substance and the potentiated long term efficacy that goes with 
> conducive and visionary support.
>
> Ed.
>
> www.becomewhole.co.uk
>
>
>>From: Norman Brown <secundumvitae at yahoo.com>
>>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibo addiction
>>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:41:49 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>Hi Randy,
>>   Thank you for your comments!
>>   We have found that a follow up program is essential for ibogaine. If we 
>> had not been there for several of our clients they would have just fallen 
>> back into their old patterns. It is mostly a process of showing people 
>> options that they can choose for their lives and reconditioning. Although 
>> we are not mainly a drug interuption program we feel that if those that 
>> are drug interruption programs were to extend their program by one week 
>> and gave a loving support therapy program there would at least be a 50% 
>> increase in their success rate. We also feel from our experience that it 
>> is possible to reach 95 to 98% sucess rate with ibogaine. (Of course we 
>> have only been at this for one year and our statistics may adjust over 
>> time.) It just takes the right follow up program. We have treat over 40 
>> people so far and are coming up on our one year anniversary for several 
>> individuals who are living a happier life than ever before. Out of 40 
>> people we have only one who says that ibogaine
>>  did nothing for them, although she is no longer obsessing about her 
>> relationship that has been over for 5 years and she has moved on to seek 
>> a new relationship, which is the reason that she did ibogaine in the 
>> first place. If the client says it failed for them then we count it as a 
>> failure.
>>   At this point we are not in a financial position to attend to our work 
>> as a research facility, but when the funding becomes available we will do 
>> more to document our work and then governments will have no excuse left 
>> to say that ibogaine is not a reasonable therapeutic tool for not just 
>> drug interuption.
>>   Have a great day!
>>   Norman
>>
>>BiscuitBoy714 at aol.com wrote:
>>         In a message dated 10/18/2006 6:34:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
>> secundumvitae at yahoo.com writes:
>>     Our programs are a minimum of one month, which is the ibogaine 
>> treatment followed up with a reprograming process which combines eastern 
>> and western philosophy and psychology.
>>   We have found that ibogaine is an excellent tool for life change 
>> especially when suplemented with a program designed to accomplish just 
>> that.
>>   At this point we are not treating heroine addiction, there are plenty 
>> of facilities around the world for that. We are not an "end my problem 
>> and let me get on with my life" program. Not that there is anything wrong 
>> with that. We are here to help people change their lives.
>>
>>
>>   Norman, once again I have to say that what you are doing is so cool, to 
>> put it plainly. Lots of us feel the same way here in the US, but it being 
>> illegal to use Ibogaine it's almost impossible to achieve this program. I 
>> know the people who were responsible in treating me had something like 
>> this in mind but had to leave it up to me to implement it. Well, I felt 
>> so great afterwards that I saw no reason for follow up treatment. I found 
>> out later that this was not the case and have since sought therapy and 
>> other means of improving my life and lifestyle. Maybe your success will 
>> spur some financiers to start some follow up programs like yours. We 
>> would have to go out of the states for the treatment then immediately go 
>> into such an aftercare program. I think the results of this would be so 
>> positive and the recidivism rates would be so low for addiction that the 
>> FDA would have to rethink their stand on Ibogaine. I know it sure would 
>> have helped me and saved me a lot of struggles.
>>  My struggles continue but I remain steadfast in my belief that Ibogaine 
>> could help untold amounts of people improve their quality of life for a 
>> variety of ailments here in the US. It looks like that is what they are 
>> doing in Vancouver, and kind of what Sara is doing in Amsterdam to me but 
>> they can speak for themselves. I sure wish I could have gone to a program 
>> like this. Hindsight is always 20/20.      Randy
>>
>>
>>
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