[Ibogaine] ibo addiction

Brad Hays bradleyheathhays at gmail.com
Sat Oct 21 08:37:19 EDT 2006


Not much time to talk, but just wanted to drop a line to say thanks for your
response Norman.  Got a little better idea now of what we're talking about,
and the effect seems transient, which is what I was hoping to hear.  BTW,
your program needs to be copied many times over on every continent.  Well
done, my friend, well done.

On 10/20/06, edward conn <wardconn at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Norman,
>
> your program sounds great and i think what you are doing is exactly what
> ibogaine requires, after all it is a tool which is used within a tight
> sociological setting in situ in gabon. Coupled with that it is a lack of
> emotional, and sociological aswell as psychological bases which often lead
> to peoples down fall in life in the first place.
>
> I have found the same as yourself whilst working with ibogaine. After some
> three years I changed my method of working to encorporate a long term
> holding process, on average about three months of pre and post treatment
> support but as long as a year or more for others. Having been working in
> this way for three years afterward, i conducted a brief analysis of
> results
> over some 25 individuals ageing from 21-56. Long term prognosis had
> increased to aprox. 75% staying clean, which actually increased after a
> year
> to closer to 90%.
>
> The reason for this was person specific, and as I looked over my notes
> from
> the early consultations the clarity of this for the particular person
> would
> become clear. Some people needed a wider sense of security, or more
> exactly
> had very little if any form of real security in their lives. So a little
> longer was needed for their soul if you like to set them back into a new
> holding environment, perhaps a better relationship for example.Therefore
> giving them back what they lacked in the first place. I know that in some
> of
> these cases if I had not been able to offer ongoing care the outlook would
> have been very different, which is a worry consideration. This result base
> has been recently published, but unfortunately only available in Italian
> at
> the moment.If anybody would like to know please contact me.
>
> I use a transpersonal psychological model and training to aid this process
> and this adoption has made a world of difference, infact it is now where I
> intend to concentrate my focus. There are more providers out there by the
> month but no growth or little in support. If I could in any way do this it
> would give me a great deal of pleasure.
>
> My conclusion is that without this long term pre and post perspective and
> facility, results are around about 40-50% success, simply because life
> skill, life knowledge are absent, there is nothing to fall back on, so
> really what can be expected.
>
> What I have also learnt is that this support can be offered by telephone
> if
> necessary, and many of my clients who were not able to travel regularly
> used
> this service. What I would like to be able to do is offer this more
> widely,
> to people who are perhaps having treatment but lack the specialised
> support.
>
> If any body has a response to this I would be very interrested. Some
> feedback would be probably fuel to me putting something of greater
> extension
> into place.
>
> Sadly, over the years I have heard of cases of where I have guessed that
> poeple probably would have fared better if support was available, but
> these
> are still early days relatively.
>
> Six years of working with ibogaine and three or more of those using
> therapeutic ongoing support have taught me a lot about the potential of
> this
> substance and the potentiated long term efficacy that goes with conducive
> and visionary support.
>
> Ed.
>
> www.becomewhole.co.uk
>
>
> >From: Norman Brown <secundumvitae at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibo addiction
> >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:41:49 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Hi Randy,
> >   Thank you for your comments!
> >   We have found that a follow up program is essential for ibogaine. If
> we
> >had not been there for several of our clients they would have just fallen
> >back into their old patterns. It is mostly a process of showing people
> >options that they can choose for their lives and reconditioning. Although
> >we are not mainly a drug interuption program we feel that if those that
> are
> >drug interruption programs were to extend their program by one week and
> >gave a loving support therapy program there would at least be a 50%
> >increase in their success rate. We also feel from our experience that it
> is
> >possible to reach 95 to 98% sucess rate with ibogaine. (Of course we have
> >only been at this for one year and our statistics may adjust over time.)
> It
> >just takes the right follow up program. We have treat over 40 people so
> far
> >and are coming up on our one year anniversary for several individuals who
> >are living a happier life than ever before. Out of 40 people we have only
> >one who says that ibogaine
> >  did nothing for them, although she is no longer obsessing about her
> >relationship that has been over for 5 years and she has moved on to seek
> a
> >new relationship, which is the reason that she did ibogaine in the first
> >place. If the client says it failed for them then we count it as a
> failure.
> >   At this point we are not in a financial position to attend to our work
> >as a research facility, but when the funding becomes available we will do
> >more to document our work and then governments will have no excuse left
> to
> >say that ibogaine is not a reasonable therapeutic tool for not just drug
> >interuption.
> >   Have a great day!
> >   Norman
> >
> >BiscuitBoy714 at aol.com wrote:
> >         In a message dated 10/18/2006 6:34:58 A.M. Eastern Standard
> Time,
> >secundumvitae at yahoo.com writes:
> >     Our programs are a minimum of one month, which is the ibogaine
> >treatment followed up with a reprograming process which combines eastern
> >and western philosophy and psychology.
> >   We have found that ibogaine is an excellent tool for life change
> >especially when suplemented with a program designed to accomplish just
> >that.
> >   At this point we are not treating heroine addiction, there are plenty
> of
> >facilities around the world for that. We are not an "end my problem and
> let
> >me get on with my life" program. Not that there is anything wrong with
> >that. We are here to help people change their lives.
> >
> >
> >   Norman, once again I have to say that what you are doing is so cool,
> to
> >put it plainly. Lots of us feel the same way here in the US, but it being
> >illegal to use Ibogaine it's almost impossible to achieve this program. I
> >know the people who were responsible in treating me had something like
> this
> >in mind but had to leave it up to me to implement it. Well, I felt so
> great
> >afterwards that I saw no reason for follow up treatment. I found out
> later
> >that this was not the case and have since sought therapy and other means
> of
> >improving my life and lifestyle. Maybe your success will spur some
> >financiers to start some follow up programs like yours. We would have to
> go
> >out of the states for the treatment then immediately go into such an
> >aftercare program. I think the results of this would be so positive and
> the
> >recidivism rates would be so low for addiction that the FDA would have to
> >rethink their stand on Ibogaine. I know it sure would have helped me and
> >saved me a lot of struggles.
> >  My struggles continue but I remain steadfast in my belief that Ibogaine
> >could help untold amounts of people improve their quality of life for a
> >variety of ailments here in the US. It looks like that is what they are
> >doing in Vancouver, and kind of what Sara is doing in Amsterdam to me but
> >they can speak for themselves. I sure wish I could have gone to a program
> >like this. Hindsight is always 20/20.      Randy
> >
> >
> >
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