[Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa(Brad)

Brad Hays bradleyheathhays at gmail.com
Fri Oct 20 02:08:54 EDT 2006


Thanks for the update grasshopper.  Every treatment report, at this point,
is extremely valuable, the way I see it; because, when usage of Ibo goes up
in the future we should expect to see more of these 'one time events' that
we're seeing now.

Godspeed to ya


On 10/19/06, grasshopper <rwd3 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>  Brad:
> I never made it more than 3 weeks, during which time it was all I could do
> to just go to the bathroom. Prior to the session,  I had been on a 5 yr. run
> of 10 80 mg. oxys a day on average and a pile of benzos.  I never missed a
> day.  Also I was washing it down occasionally w/ 100+ mg.  of methadone.
> Maybe it was the long lasting stuff I was using or my age,  who knows?
> The aftermath was almost as bad as the w/ drawals.  Anyone have any insight
> into this?  The session killed the w/ drawals but the aftermath damn near
> killed me.  I wanted to eat but couldn't, I wanted to drink but couldn't.
> Maybe I just beat the crap out of myself presession or maybe I just couldn't
> produce any endorphins.  I think the question would better be directed to
> those who have stats on sessions or more contact w/ providers.  I may be an
> anomaly. Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brad Hays <bradleyheathhays at gmail.com>
> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa(Paul)
>
>
> Hey there grasshopper,
>
> How long did it take for you to feel like just generally getting out of
> the house and doing stuff like errands?
>
>
> On 10/19/06, grasshopper <rwd3 at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > Glad you made my friend,  I neither had the time for complete recovery
> > after
> > IBO nor the stamina.  For me, post IBO  presented a  whole other
> > situation,
> > i.e.  I was left a shivering , dehydrated, non eating, lethargic wreck
> > despite the efforts of my provider who went way beyond the call of duty.
> > HOWARD:  I am curious as to your take on aging junkies....either I am a
> > wuss
> > or my age played a significant role in what happened after the
> > session...in
> > other words I was beat to shite and felt like dying..no w/d syndrome but
> > I
> > couldn't get out of bed or eat. In essence,  I experienced  another pain
> >
> > which was unexpected and just as debilatating(sic) as the w/d syndrome.
> > All I could think about was making the pain go away,  not getting high,
> > just
> > getting well..sort of like the swine flu only worse. Anyone else in
> > their
> > late 50's experience such symptoms?  I figure I needed at least 6 weeks
> > to
> > make a go of it.  do you think that my body's inability to produce
> > endorphins had something to do with it? No natural pain relievers, no
> > appetite, extreme lethargy, no sex drive and nothing produced naturally
> > to
> > make me feel good.  I realize these things take time for everything to
> > start
> > firing again,  but Jeez it suxed.
> > ron
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Brookshaw" <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
> > To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
> >
> >
> > > Hi Ron,
> > >         Well if you ain't the man at the top, anywhere youi will
> > always be
> > > treated like cattle.
> > >                                            Humanity is shameful.
> > > The French Connection was a good one Mr Bush lol.
> > >                                                 Have a good one P'
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "grasshopper" < rwd3 at cox.net>
> > >>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > >>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
> > >>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:00:20 -0500
> > >>
> > >>Rehab in USA:
> > >>1) Public Funded Rehab:  for those that do not have money
> > >>    Protocol for opiates:  catapress ( blood pressure med ) and
> > robabaxin
> > >> for detox
> > >>                                      does nothing to alleviate
> > withdrawal
> > >> symptoms
> > >>                                      similar to cold turkey
> > >>2) Middle income rehab:  1 week taper on suboxone and the other meds
> > above
> > >>                                          withdrawal syndrome big time
> > >> after a week
> > >>3)  Fat cat cash only rehab:  30, 000 US up front for 30 days in
> > patient
> > >>                                             bup or suboxone for a
> > longer
> > >> period
> > >>All the above rely on 12 step  after care
> > >>Bottom line:  in the US the medical consensus is that the addict MUST
> > feel
> > >>pain because he / she has been a bad person and must suffer
> > and  treatment
> > >>is dictated by how much insurance will pay or cash the addict
> > has,  not
> > >>the condition  of the addict  who wants to recover.  Thanks George for
> > all
> > >>your compassion.  Bad addicts! grasshopper No wonder many of us resort
> > to
> > >>the Big Sleep
> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Brookshaw" <
> > jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
> > >>To: < ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:13 AM
> > >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>The prosses is going the same way here in Norwich UK.
> > >>>The drug agencies can only seem to keep you addicted to Methadone.
> > Keeps
> > >>>them in a job.
> > >>>
> > >>>If you are serious about doing a rehab, you still have to be a
> > statistic
> > >>>and get lots of counceling.
> > >>>
> > >>>Keeps them in a job.
> > >>>
> > >>>After you get clean and start to get your life back together, they
> > still
> > >>>don't want to let you go as
> > >>>you are said to need lots of Psycho Therapy.
> > >>>
> > >>>Keeping more so called poffesionals in a job.
> > >>>
> > >>>If man did not have a prepensity to self medicate, then there would
> > be
> > >>>one hell of a lot of so called proffesionals looking for alternative
> > >>>employment.
> > >>>
> > >>>                             MONEY
> > >>> <------------------------------------------------->PEOPLE
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Seems like a real bad ballance that one.
> > >>>
> > P'
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> P.S. Howard,
> > >>>                 No disrespect meant, but if the statistics that you
> > get
> > >>> say that the UK is a low dose Methadone dosing Country, then how
> > much is
> > >>> the average daily dose in the States?
> > >>>
> > >>>Statistics.
> > >>>
> > >>>Is that just keeping someone else in a job ?
> > >>>
> > >>>                                                                   P'
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>From: "Nick Sandberg" <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
> > >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > >>>>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > >>>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
> > >>>>Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:12:27 +0100
> > >>>>
> > >>>>What I heard recently is that the UK government are progressively
> > giving
> > >>>>up
> > >>>>on trying to treat addiction through residential care. Funding is
> > going
> > >>>>down
> > >>>>for rehab centres and places now harder to find if you don't have
> > the
> > >>>>money
> > >>>>yourself.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Nick
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>   From: firefly [mailto:lik4luk at yahoo.com.au]
> > >>>>   Sent: 05 October 2006 10:43
> > >>>>   To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > >>>>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
> >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   Funny statements=addicts are diseased and not worth helping.
> > >>>>   YEAH RITE!
> > >>>>   We all started the same innocent and clean-we can all end the
> > same
> > >>>> with
> > >>>>support and understanding.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>   HSLotsof at aol.com wrote:
> > >>>>     Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     I am not sure what you mean by "that is one of the funniest
> > >>>> statements I
> > >>>>have read."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Howard
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     In a message dated 10/4/06 9:25:34 AM, jiggy9 at hotmail.co.ukwrites:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>       That is not in keeping with the information I receive
> > indicating
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>UK is a
> > >>>>       low dose methadone country.  What is the average dose of
> > >>>> methadone you
> > >>>>know
> > >>>>       of in the UK?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>       Hell Howard, that is one of the funniest statements I have
> > read.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>       An avarage Methadone dose here is 80ml. They try to drop you
> > to
> > >>>> 50ml
> > >>>>if you
> > >>>>       are willing, but most everyone gets 50ml to 100ml daily.
> > >>>>       Cock up to many times with dirty samples and they flood you
> > with
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>Green
> > >>>>       devil.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>       Real glad I am out of all that shit once and for all.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
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