[Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa(Paul)

Brad Hays bradleyheathhays at gmail.com
Thu Oct 19 18:24:18 EDT 2006


Hey there grasshopper,

How long did it take for you to feel like just generally getting out of the
house and doing stuff like errands?


On 10/19/06, grasshopper <rwd3 at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Glad you made my friend,  I neither had the time for complete recovery
> after
> IBO nor the stamina.  For me, post IBO  presented a  whole other
> situation,
> i.e.  I was left a shivering , dehydrated, non eating, lethargic wreck
> despite the efforts of my provider who went way beyond the call of duty.
> HOWARD:  I am curious as to your take on aging junkies....either I am a
> wuss
> or my age played a significant role in what happened after the
> session...in
> other words I was beat to shite and felt like dying..no w/d syndrome but I
> couldn't get out of bed or eat. In essence,  I experienced  another pain
> which was unexpected and just as debilatating(sic) as the w/d syndrome.
> All I could think about was making the pain go away,  not getting high,
> just
> getting well..sort of like the swine flu only worse. Anyone else in their
> late 50's experience such symptoms?  I figure I needed at least 6 weeks to
> make a go of it.  do you think that my body's inability to produce
> endorphins had something to do with it? No natural pain relievers, no
> appetite, extreme lethargy, no sex drive and nothing produced naturally to
> make me feel good.  I realize these things take time for everything to
> start
> firing again,  but Jeez it suxed.
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Brookshaw" <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
>
>
> > Hi Ron,
> >         Well if you ain't the man at the top, anywhere youi will always
> be
> > treated like cattle.
> >                                            Humanity is shameful.
> > The French Connection was a good one Mr Bush lol.
> >                                                 Have a good one P'
> >
> >
> >>From: "grasshopper" <rwd3 at cox.net>
> >>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
> >>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:00:20 -0500
> >>
> >>Rehab in USA:
> >>1) Public Funded Rehab:  for those that do not have money
> >>    Protocol for opiates:  catapress ( blood pressure med ) and
> robabaxin
> >> for detox
> >>                                      does nothing to alleviate
> withdrawal
> >> symptoms
> >>                                      similar to cold turkey
> >>2) Middle income rehab:  1 week taper on suboxone and the other meds
> above
> >>                                          withdrawal syndrome big time
> >> after a week
> >>3)  Fat cat cash only rehab:  30, 000 US up front for 30 days in patient
> >>                                             bup or suboxone for a
> longer
> >> period
> >>All the above rely on 12 step  after care
> >>Bottom line:  in the US the medical consensus is that the addict MUST
> feel
> >>pain because he / she has been a bad person and must suffer
> and  treatment
> >>is dictated by how much insurance will pay or cash the addict has,  not
> >>the condition  of the addict  who wants to recover.  Thanks George for
> all
> >>your compassion.  Bad addicts! grasshopper No wonder many of us resort
> to
> >>the Big Sleep
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Brookshaw" <
> jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
> >>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:13 AM
> >>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
> >>
> >>
> >>>The prosses is going the same way here in Norwich UK.
> >>>The drug agencies can only seem to keep you addicted to Methadone.
> Keeps
> >>>them in a job.
> >>>
> >>>If you are serious about doing a rehab, you still have to be a
> statistic
> >>>and get lots of counceling.
> >>>
> >>>Keeps them in a job.
> >>>
> >>>After you get clean and start to get your life back together, they
> still
> >>>don't want to let you go as
> >>>you are said to need lots of Psycho Therapy.
> >>>
> >>>Keeping more so called poffesionals in a job.
> >>>
> >>>If man did not have a prepensity to self medicate, then there would be
> >>>one hell of a lot of so called proffesionals looking for alternative
> >>>employment.
> >>>
> >>>                             MONEY
> >>> <------------------------------------------------->PEOPLE
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Seems like a real bad ballance that one.
> >>>                                                                     P'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>P.S. Howard,
> >>>                 No disrespect meant, but if the statistics that you
> get
> >>> say that the UK is a low dose Methadone dosing Country, then how much
> is
> >>> the average daily dose in the States?
> >>>
> >>>Statistics.
> >>>
> >>>Is that just keeping someone else in a job ?
> >>>
> >>>                                                                   P'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: "Nick Sandberg" <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
> >>>>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >>>>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >>>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
> >>>>Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:12:27 +0100
> >>>>
> >>>>What I heard recently is that the UK government are progressively
> giving
> >>>>up
> >>>>on trying to treat addiction through residential care. Funding is
> going
> >>>>down
> >>>>for rehab centres and places now harder to find if you don't have the
> >>>>money
> >>>>yourself.
> >>>>
> >>>>Nick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   -----Original Message-----
> >>>>   From: firefly [mailto:lik4luk at yahoo.com.au]
> >>>>   Sent: 05 October 2006 10:43
> >>>>   To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >>>>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   Funny statements=addicts are diseased and not worth helping.
> >>>>   YEAH RITE!
> >>>>   We all started the same innocent and clean-we can all end the same
> >>>> with
> >>>>support and understanding.
> >>>>
> >>>>   HSLotsof at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>     Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>>     I am not sure what you mean by "that is one of the funniest
> >>>> statements I
> >>>>have read."
> >>>>
> >>>>     Howard
> >>>>
> >>>>     In a message dated 10/4/06 9:25:34 AM, jiggy9 at hotmail.co.ukwrites:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>       That is not in keeping with the information I receive
> indicating
> >>>> the
> >>>>UK is a
> >>>>       low dose methadone country.  What is the average dose of
> >>>> methadone you
> >>>>know
> >>>>       of in the UK?
> >>>>
> >>>>       Hell Howard, that is one of the funniest statements I have
> read.
> >>>>
> >>>>       An avarage Methadone dose here is 80ml. They try to drop you to
> >>>> 50ml
> >>>>if you
> >>>>       are willing, but most everyone gets 50ml to 100ml daily.
> >>>>       Cock up to many times with dirty samples and they flood you
> with
> >>>> the
> >>>>Green
> >>>>       devil.
> >>>>
> >>>>       Real glad I am out of all that shit once and for all.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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