[Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa

Sara Glatt sara119 at xs4all.nl
Wed Oct 18 09:50:02 EDT 2006


>Hi Paul,

it is so cool to see you around doing so well.
best wishes,

Sara,



 Hi Ron,
>          Well if you ain't the man at the top, anywhere youi will always
> be
> treated like cattle.
>                                             Humanity is shameful.
> The French Connection was a good one Mr Bush lol.
>                                                  Have a good one P'
>
>
>>From: "grasshopper" <rwd3 at cox.net>
>>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
>>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:00:20 -0500
>>
>>Rehab in USA:
>>1) Public Funded Rehab:  for those that do not have money
>>    Protocol for opiates:  catapress ( blood pressure med ) and robabaxin
>>for detox
>>                                      does nothing to alleviate
>> withdrawal
>>symptoms
>>                                      similar to cold turkey
>>2) Middle income rehab:  1 week taper on suboxone and the other meds
>> above
>>                                          withdrawal syndrome big time
>>after a week
>>3)  Fat cat cash only rehab:  30, 000 US up front for 30 days in patient
>>                                             bup or suboxone for a longer
>>period
>>All the above rely on 12 step  after care
>>Bottom line:  in the US the medical consensus is that the addict MUST
>> feel
>>pain because he / she has been a bad person and must suffer and
>> treatment
>>is dictated by how much insurance will pay or cash the addict has,  not
>> the
>>condition  of the addict  who wants to recover.  Thanks George for all
>> your
>>compassion.  Bad addicts! grasshopper No wonder many of us resort to the
>>Big Sleep
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Brookshaw"
>> <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
>>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:13 AM
>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
>>
>>
>>>The prosses is going the same way here in Norwich UK.
>>>The drug agencies can only seem to keep you addicted to Methadone. Keeps
>>>them in a job.
>>>
>>>If you are serious about doing a rehab, you still have to be a statistic
>>>and get lots of counceling.
>>>
>>>Keeps them in a job.
>>>
>>>After you get clean and start to get your life back together, they still
>>>don't want to let you go as
>>>you are said to need lots of Psycho Therapy.
>>>
>>>Keeping more so called poffesionals in a job.
>>>
>>>If man did not have a prepensity to self medicate, then there would be
>>> one
>>>hell of a lot of so called proffesionals looking for alternative
>>>employment.
>>>
>>>                             MONEY
>>><------------------------------------------------->PEOPLE
>>>
>>>
>>>Seems like a real bad ballance that one.
>>>                                                                     P'
>>>
>>>
>>>P.S. Howard,
>>>                 No disrespect meant, but if the statistics that you get
>>>say that the UK is a low dose Methadone dosing Country, then how much is
>>>the average daily dose in the States?
>>>
>>>Statistics.
>>>
>>>Is that just keeping someone else in a job ?
>>>
>>>                                                                   P'
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Nick Sandberg" <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
>>>>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
>>>>Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:12:27 +0100
>>>>
>>>>What I heard recently is that the UK government are progressively
>>>> giving
>>>>up
>>>>on trying to treat addiction through residential care. Funding is going
>>>>down
>>>>for rehab centres and places now harder to find if you don't have the
>>>>money
>>>>yourself.
>>>>
>>>>Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>>   From: firefly [mailto:lik4luk at yahoo.com.au]
>>>>   Sent: 05 October 2006 10:43
>>>>   To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Funny statements=addicts are diseased and not worth helping.
>>>>   YEAH RITE!
>>>>   We all started the same innocent and clean-we can all end the same
>>>>with
>>>>support and understanding.
>>>>
>>>>   HSLotsof at aol.com wrote:
>>>>     Hi,
>>>>
>>>>     I am not sure what you mean by "that is one of the funniest
>>>>statements I
>>>>have read."
>>>>
>>>>     Howard
>>>>
>>>>     In a message dated 10/4/06 9:25:34 AM, jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk
>>>> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       That is not in keeping with the information I receive indicating
>>>>the
>>>>UK is a
>>>>       low dose methadone country.  What is the average dose of
>>>> methadone
>>>>you
>>>>know
>>>>       of in the UK?
>>>>
>>>>       Hell Howard, that is one of the funniest statements I have read.
>>>>
>>>>       An avarage Methadone dose here is 80ml. They try to drop you to
>>>>50ml
>>>>if you
>>>>       are willing, but most everyone gets 50ml to 100ml daily.
>>>>       Cock up to many times with dirty samples and they flood you with
>>>>the
>>>>Green
>>>>       devil.
>>>>
>>>>       Real glad I am out of all that shit once and for all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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