[Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa

Paul Brookshaw jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk
Wed Oct 18 05:05:46 EDT 2006


Hi Ron,
         Well if you ain't the man at the top, anywhere youi will always be 
treated like cattle.
                                            Humanity is shameful.
The French Connection was a good one Mr Bush lol.
                                                 Have a good one P'


>From: "grasshopper" <rwd3 at cox.net>
>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:00:20 -0500
>
>Rehab in USA:
>1) Public Funded Rehab:  for those that do not have money
>    Protocol for opiates:  catapress ( blood pressure med ) and robabaxin 
>for detox
>                                      does nothing to alleviate withdrawal 
>symptoms
>                                      similar to cold turkey
>2) Middle income rehab:  1 week taper on suboxone and the other meds above
>                                          withdrawal syndrome big time 
>after a week
>3)  Fat cat cash only rehab:  30, 000 US up front for 30 days in patient
>                                             bup or suboxone for a longer 
>period
>All the above rely on 12 step  after care
>Bottom line:  in the US the medical consensus is that the addict MUST feel 
>pain because he / she has been a bad person and must suffer and  treatment 
>is dictated by how much insurance will pay or cash the addict has,  not the 
>condition  of the addict  who wants to recover.  Thanks George for all your 
>compassion.  Bad addicts! grasshopper No wonder many of us resort to the 
>Big Sleep
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Brookshaw" <jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk>
>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:13 AM
>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
>
>
>>The prosses is going the same way here in Norwich UK.
>>The drug agencies can only seem to keep you addicted to Methadone. Keeps 
>>them in a job.
>>
>>If you are serious about doing a rehab, you still have to be a statistic 
>>and get lots of counceling.
>>
>>Keeps them in a job.
>>
>>After you get clean and start to get your life back together, they still 
>>don't want to let you go as
>>you are said to need lots of Psycho Therapy.
>>
>>Keeping more so called poffesionals in a job.
>>
>>If man did not have a prepensity to self medicate, then there would be one 
>>hell of a lot of so called proffesionals looking for alternative 
>>employment.
>>
>>                             MONEY 
>><------------------------------------------------->PEOPLE
>>
>>
>>Seems like a real bad ballance that one.
>>                                                                     P'
>>
>>
>>P.S. Howard,
>>                 No disrespect meant, but if the statistics that you get 
>>say that the UK is a low dose Methadone dosing Country, then how much is 
>>the average daily dose in the States?
>>
>>Statistics.
>>
>>Is that just keeping someone else in a job ?
>>
>>                                                                   P'
>>
>>
>>>From: "Nick Sandberg" <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
>>>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
>>>Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:12:27 +0100
>>>
>>>What I heard recently is that the UK government are progressively giving 
>>>up
>>>on trying to treat addiction through residential care. Funding is going 
>>>down
>>>for rehab centres and places now harder to find if you don't have the 
>>>money
>>>yourself.
>>>
>>>Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   -----Original Message-----
>>>   From: firefly [mailto:lik4luk at yahoo.com.au]
>>>   Sent: 05 October 2006 10:43
>>>   To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>>   Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] legal from a criminal trial lawyer in usa
>>>
>>>
>>>   Funny statements=addicts are diseased and not worth helping.
>>>   YEAH RITE!
>>>   We all started the same innocent and clean-we can all end the same 
>>>with
>>>support and understanding.
>>>
>>>   HSLotsof at aol.com wrote:
>>>     Hi,
>>>
>>>     I am not sure what you mean by "that is one of the funniest 
>>>statements I
>>>have read."
>>>
>>>     Howard
>>>
>>>     In a message dated 10/4/06 9:25:34 AM, jiggy9 at hotmail.co.uk writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       That is not in keeping with the information I receive indicating 
>>>the
>>>UK is a
>>>       low dose methadone country.  What is the average dose of methadone 
>>>you
>>>know
>>>       of in the UK?
>>>
>>>       Hell Howard, that is one of the funniest statements I have read.
>>>
>>>       An avarage Methadone dose here is 80ml. They try to drop you to 
>>>50ml
>>>if you
>>>       are willing, but most everyone gets 50ml to 100ml daily.
>>>       Cock up to many times with dirty samples and they flood you with 
>>>the
>>>Green
>>>       devil.
>>>
>>>       Real glad I am out of all that shit once and for all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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