[Ibogaine] implications for the long-lasting actions of the anti-addictio...
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Sat Oct 14 20:18:09 EDT 2006
Orange 1/4 says: Im waiting if we wait, the pharmocologist/biochemist what have you, to localize the properties that reset the switches in the nhrd neurons and we wont have to pay a morgage; and It will do all but maybe mild to mod. hallucnations. But being ,theyre The opoid pushing conglomerate themselves it will be a 4 pill bubble pack and cost still 900$ unless your HMO/PPO will cover HaHa! I agree W/ biscuitboy wait W.L.T. and have hope! They pushed a drug(dolo) that got us heavily habituated!(my DONE is froma dr. not clinic (no rationale)]. but 15yrs and they expect it to do what the PDR states "givim 20 up gradually to 40 80 max. Then it states basically it's a fuckin dream copmprable to heroin or hydr/oxy morphone. Bullshit thru the wazoo. Theyll have to give us the other key. I know my dock would give it to me; cause, you know It takes monthes to step off and IS THE ONLY NARCOTIC THAT IT STATES IN W/D (PDR)YOU CAN HAVE 9 BAD THINGS(u know) THE LAST DEATH!!!!! dilaudid dont say it, not even fentanyl!!( so Its his duty to get you off ,in the event there is a pharm. ibo)PROFIT!!! All total synthetics tend to fuck you! (mabybe like marinol being poisonous thc that stays in you 6mos. b/c our creator didnt make the molecule him/herself. William S Burroughs III said petidine MEPERIDINE made him full on psychotic, and Ive known a guy to kick LEVO-DROMoRAN~~(levorphenol tartrate yes, Stadols kick ass agonist unlike butorphenol's agonist/antagonist. Just as bad as DONE! LONG O)guys ,sorry. I want Ibogaine but If You've heard if you have a fix in you, while on IBO. It can/will kill you and I personally know three people whom have sold cars, loans what have you .They when to mex, and the other 2 to St.Skitts they all came back totally clean with a new life like they found the fountain of YOUTH!! 2 out of 3 relapsed on minor opiates/hydrmorphoneand the other a oxycontin80 those 2 that relapesed killed themselves while they got high and in notes they talked about all the money and travel and they let thereselves down. Ive heard this has or could happen to 40% of relapses. The 3rd friend is clean 3 yrs. not a drop of even erb. He acts totally different. Like he grew up after he grew up and then went to an even higher echelon. I guess w/ Ibo. Be careful what you do. But Im so tired of buscuits aWWWWrGGG!!! sorry. I guess the ibogaine is so spiritual that a relapse is tooo muuch to bear, Like I said not to mention what they gave up to get there(Mike+Hottle R.I.P).
thanx for letting me vent. qwiknote at yahoo.com
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From: Warren Lee Theriot
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] implications for the long-lasting actions of the anti-addictio...
What you say is all too true. The number one priority is profit these days. I have been travelling the world on Google Earth and have lately noticed disturbing images of the strip-mining of the land for trees. Entire species of beneficial plants have probably been destroyed. The profit motive seems to have had an effect on the rainforests of South America; vast thousands of square miles once covered with jungle are bare earth. Some places you can see fire destroying the jungles and chaparral in the Google Earth images. These sort of things just seem to give me a sinking feeling that can only be remedied by shouting out how messed up things are and questioning "how can the science fiction scenarios of a future desert earth be prevented"? It has geometrically increased in proportions the clearing of land everywhere on earth, even the Ibogaine bearing jungles of Gabon seem to have a lot of clear-cut land, if you can make out the blurry images of that particular area of the earth. Maybe the 10 or 15 percent of land the president of Gabon has declared national parks will preserve the Iboga plants.
My rants seem to come in cycles and yet I do see a trend towards the better as far as getting the message out about Ibogaine, thanks to UTube and all the other video sites now. I'm trying to work with a half broke computer, a half broke digital camcorder and iMovie to start some of my own video uploads, which has been a way to raise my own spirits. But I keep getting the urge to speak out since there are people with some say in the goings on in the overall medical community that they need constant prodding. Days go into weeks into years since I have been reading about Ibogaine. It is only starting to appear on the Internet Video radar screen, and I hope the news keeps positive. I totally commend the efforts of everyone involved and especially Howard and Dana for getting the ball rolling back in the 80's.
What ever happened to that guy in the video running off like that I don't know, but I hope that a bunch of hoaxes don't start appearing. My take on it was that maybe the guy had just enough Ibo to get him a little wobbly or slow to react to instructions, but it really did seem like he wasn't all there in his mind when he was getting splashed. I don't know personally about Ibogaine as far as coordination goes but it would probably make someone fall on their face if they tried to run. The yelling seemed to resonate with my own feelings of youthful exuberance I still feel inside at times. At least when I wake up in the morning now, I don't feel that depressed any more nor do I feel sick. It is such a relief. Still, I would rather be as happy as what I imagine Ecstasy would be like, really, but I don't want to seek that drug out. There is nothing available that could come close. That is as much as a change in perception my mind craves after all this time of not really having any fun for any extended period of time. That is sort of how I want my mind to be free from this depression. It is hard to be constantly worrying that something will go wrong because in the last 14 or more years, I have had to deal with loss after loss of friends and family. World affairs on the news make me upset also. Nobody with any real power seems to have much emotional intelligence, let alone strategic intelligence. Military intelligence is an oxymoron. Radio hosts can be "oxy-morons".
These issues keep me bummed out enough of the time, that I need to vent occasionally. It is something that I would hope that I could get over with Ibogaine and the right sort of talk therapy. I just don't like it when you go to a psychiatrist and you have to do all the talking even after many sessions. I will have to look harder for a more interactive type of counseling. I don't like group therapy. I tried that a very long time ago and it was annoying at best. Well in a way this forum kind of serves that purpose and it is a lot to my liking. Back a long time ago, it was just the time of my life and the mixed bag of problems of everyone to deal with. Here there is a common concern. I hope that I can lighten up and somehow be my old self and the self I am in my nightly dreams. At least I can dream now. The pills seemed to stifle the REM sleep I used to get before I started with them. I wonder if Ibogaine has any effect on boosting memory in the long term after the treatment. I have been getting worse about spelling lately.
On Oct 12, 2006, at 4:10 PM, BiscuitBoy714 at aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/12/2006 5:22:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wleetheriot at comcast.net writes:
And once again I repeat my concern that if the big pharma companies of the world continue to sell and promote the use of opioid analgesics then they also have the responsibility to provide a humane medicine that alleviates the suffering caused by the over use of those narcotic analgesics. That means pull your heads out of yer butts, FDA, and legalize Ibogaine treatment centers in the USA!.
I feel the same way Warren but sad to say that over the time of my treatment for addiction with Ibogaine until now (2 years) I have been drug down by the apathy I have seen on the part of a lot of people. I'm not about to point any fingers, those who feel guilty probably should, but it seems to me there ought to be some kind of recourse. I was quite a zealot with my rants when I first got over the methadone. I wrote a FUCK the DEA/FDA rant just about weekly. Now it seems like there is not much we can do about it. Treatments happen regardless. The people who are motivated enough find a way. Well that sucks really when you think about it because one of the things about opiates is the lethargy involved in them. I think it goes along with what Nick has to say about the pharm industry in general, and I've heard Howard say it too, the pharmacy industry is in business to make money, they have to answer to stock holders for their profit margins first, the general welfare of the public is a distant second if that. It depresses me to write this shit but it's true, but Ibogaine awareness is slowly spreading, lets hope it takes on a life of it's own and the logic of it will prevail. Free Your Mind and Your Ass Will Follow (George Clinton) Randy
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