[Ibogaine] implications for the long-lasting actions of the anti-addictio...

Carlton B hokkaidocrow at gmail.com
Thu Oct 12 08:17:20 EDT 2006

Nick, I don't much disagree with you on the motivations of
shareholder-driven companies.   I'm just making a point of logic here...
that even if you assume that pharm companies are organized scams with no
interest in treating disease, this doesn't automatically mean that Hulda
Clark isn't a bullshit artist.   Maybe it just means that health-care
scamming goes all the way from large-scale to small-scale, and you can't
automatically believe someone's crazy bullshit simply because they aren't

On 10/12/06, Nick Sandberg <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>  Hi Carlton,
> I appreciate what you're saying here, but I also have to say that I have
> witnessed full-blown terminal cancer go into complete remission from "new
> age" non-invasive therapies. Be careful you don't throw the baby out with
> the bath water. The pharm business have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER in
> treating cancer effectively, the same true for a multitude of other
> degenerative conditions. Their entire business is rooted in the temporary
> relief of symptomology, and they will NEVER back an effective treatment for
> it would wound them financially. They are shareholder based structures, with
> legally enforced rights to only pursue profit-worthy ventures. They cannot
> pursue effective treatments, they are not allowed to legally. It's the dark
> side of capitalism, man, and it has nothing to do with medicine.
> Nick
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Carlton B [mailto:hokkaidocrow at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 12 October 2006 01:51
> *To:* ibogaine at mindvox.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Ibogaine] implications for the long-lasting actions of the
> anti-addictio...
> On 10/11/06, marko <marko at phantom.com> wrote:
> > I must not forget plenty of scam artists (and everything else, too!) on
> > this list, including me... claims that one single dose of IBOgaine can
> > "cure" years or even decades of addiction?
> >
> Yes, along with a number of peer-reviewed multidisciplinary studies, as
> well.   Perhaps if Hulda Clarks' studies were validated by anyone besides
> Hulda Clark over the past 20 years she's been claiming that AIDS is caused
> by worms, well...
>  Shortly, it's the easiest thing in the world to declare someone a scam
> > artist (and everything else, too!) without trying his/her system or
> > teaching/curing. Without feeling results for oneself.
> >
> I don't have to feel it for myself, I can just read on quackwatch about
> the people whose cancer worms she's promised to cause, collected money, and
> watched them die.   Who has she cured?  Nobody.
>  The point is.... here we go again.... that anyone promoting anything from
> > which The Pharmaceutical Industry doesn't profit, is declared a scam artist
> > (and everything else, too!).
> >
> If AIDS were really caused by worms as Clark says, the pharmaceutical
> industry would be richer than God, because they own the rights to all the
> vermicidal/anti-parasite drugs as well as AZT, etcetera.   So that reasoning
> doesn't really hold water either.   Failing that, we have only the remaining
> theory that Clark's ideas are so scathingly brilliant that everyone who
> agrees with them has run away and hidden under a rock.   Doesn't this set
> off your bullshit detector a tiny bit?
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