[Ibogaine] psichotic sympthomes or psychosis?

Luke Christoffersen luke.christoffersen at gmail.com
Sun Oct 8 17:37:02 EDT 2006


Has there been any known uses of ibogaine with people with severe
psychological problems such as this?

Luke

On 10/8/06, Nick Sandberg <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Coming in a bit at the end of this thread, I would like to say that, as a
> therapist, I think it is very risky to consider giving a psychoactive
> substance like ibogaine to anyone with psychotic tendencies. So, I totally
> agree with what you are saying here, Atilla. I've had people on the phone to
> me before convinced that ibogaine has "fucked their brains up," and no
> amount of therapeutic explaining about "not being ready to face your shadow
> side" really helps so much. If someone is already pretty fragmented I think
> it would be acutely risky.
>
> Of course, as a friend, and if realistically no other options remain, it is
> still something that could be tried in a kind of "kill or cure" strategy.
> The question is whether someone with psychotic symptoms is capable of making
> a reasonably informed decision about taking it.
>
> Sometimes people take ibogaine and it changes their lives so much they
> naturally assume that it's just some wondrous cure-all. They maybe don't
> realize so much that, actually, it is they who were ready to change and that
> not everyone else is.
>
> Nick
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Atilla Szabo [mailto:atilla.szabo at gmail.com]
> > Sent: 06 October 2006 22:22
> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] psichotic sympthomes or psychosis?
> >
> >
> > thanks the advise,
> >   i spent time and talked with her deeper,she has dissociative
> > disorder,the clinic report says she had paranoid schizophreny and once
> > observed epileptic symphtomes.
> > sucessed agreed with her, she neednt ibo treatment currently.
> > as i see she has dissociated personality fragments , im not sure it
> > can be much worst ,i can imagine ibo can help , dont think can makeing
> > a big breaktrough ,but can imagine it can causing a smaller step to
> > being better.
> > but it seems very risky , have a chance she ill be much worst or only
> > ibo causing a short more confused period ,dont think this temporary
> > sightly period ill worst than her actual state ,but the consequences(
> > a possible going back to psichiatry ,her parents reaction,the possible
> > official reaction,...) can injure against ibo issue and can causing
> > more prejudicial than benefit.
> > big the danger or possible the danger, it can endangering the truely
> > needy peoples feasibilities to using ibo in the country.
> > fortunately after the discussion she gave up the idea using ibo nowadays.
> > again thanks the advices,
> >   atilla
> >
> > 2006/10/5, firefly <lik4luk at yahoo.com.au>:
> > > I had P.T.S.D which pushed me to cutting
> > myself,dissassociation-big time and
> > > to the point of being consumed with suicide and believeing I
> > was dying of
> > > cancer etc.I had ibo 46 days ago also for 74mgs of methadone anti-depr
> > > sleepers etc.I am not lookin back only to ponder and realise that lifes
> > > shite wasnt my fault my dad didnt die of cancer coz of me,my mates didnt
> > > suicide coz of me and it goes on and on.
> > > I believe you should treat her like any of us and do the
> > relavent tests,of
> > > course.Get supports-psych drs,nurses,massage
> > therapists,natropaths.Pre care
> > > and after care malke recovery faster and better.Family support where
> > > possible and friends to remind us of who we were/are.I am no Dr but just
> > > wanted to let u know hope aint gone,maybe small doses over
> > time?What do the
> > > more experienced think?Tanz in N.Z again!!!
> > >
> > > jon at mindvox.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you know specifically what her diagnosis is? What exactly do you mean
> > > when you say she has "a soft split personality"? Does she have
> > > dissociative identity disorder? Is she bipolar? Borderline personality
> > > disorder?
> > >
> > > I'd probably advise against giving iboga to someone with a dissociative
> > > disorder (such as dissociative identity disorder, what they used to call
> > > multiple personality disorder) or schizophrenia, as I would suspect it
> > > would aggravate the dissociation or psychosis. But I should imagine it
> > > would be helpful for affective and anxiety disorders.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > What do u think abt iboga treatment for psichiatric patient,she has a
> > > > soft split personality and a bit chaotic emocionality,but she really
> > > > doggedly and creatively trying to solve her problems and she hope
> > > > iboga can help herself , She used mushroom , cannabis more times,but
> > > > never happened psichosis under drug effects . Have experiences abt
> > > > treating pure psichic problems ?
> > > >
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