[Ibogaine] psych drug fraud

firefly lik4luk at yahoo.com.au
Sun Oct 8 03:51:59 EDT 2006

Hey Matt,
  I totally agree witj wot u say as a sufferer I fully think there is a place for SOME of these drugs.My Mum has owned and run a pharmacutical company here for my entire life and I do see the amount of nasty drugs go out the door But some of us arnt as lucky to have our heads work 'properly' or even well enuf to 'fit into'society.I dont really know  alot on Tom and his scientology beliefs which is where his theory comes from.I believe he is still learning too and with his abnormal life he prob/maybe won't-esp about pshyco-active drugs and illnesses.
  Hell he made his wife be silent during child birth.

Matthew Shriver <Matt at ITSupport.net> wrote:
  Tom Cruise completely aside I think the position of the people behind the
video is too extreme. As someone who has suffered from professionally
diagnosed and self-diagnosed depression; and I mean long lasting,
debilitating, entrenched, very dark periods, and as someone who is currently
benefiting from anti-depressants, I think to say that all psychiatry and all
psychiatric drugs are a fraud is simply inaccurate. I also personally know
a person who was diagnosed schizophrenic who does way better on meds. And
the difference for her is the difference between going to seemingly random
places and engaging in bizarre behavior that gets her arrested (which is
what happens when she is un-medicated) and actually functioning somewhat
normally, albeit still with a weird streak (when she is on her meds). But
that difference is pretty big I would imagine for her.

Now having said all of that in defense of psychiatric drugs I am also a firm
believer that the whole "chemical imbalance" story is one used way too often
and probably results in a lot of people being placed on meds they don't need
to be. I agree that according to the DSM-IV just about everybody has a
diagnosable mental illness which may be a little extreme. However given the
state of society and some of the things that are considered healthy or
normal I am not so sure that most of society isn't somewhat mentally ill,
just probably not in the same way that the DSM-IV would say they are
mentally ill. 

I also believe that my personal struggles with depression are most likely
resulting from long term beliefs and thought patterns that I have created or
at least conditioned in my own mind which would suggest that the more
effective treatment would be to examine and change them rather then medicate
the symptoms. But when you are having a hard time even showing up for your
life I think a little help from medications is not altogether uncalled for.
If I could "just get over it" as Vector suggests Tom Cruise's attitude is,
you can bet your ass I would. But somehow that wasn't happening for me.

I guess I would say that these people have some valid points but in
correcting the problem, they seem to be willing to throw the baby out with
the bath water.

-----Original Message-----
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 4:36 PM
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] psych drug fraud

Not to say that psychiatric drugs aren't over prescribed without
adequete warnings and all. But saying they received additional warning
labels due to Tom Cruise is reaching a little...

The main problem with Tom Cruise is that's he's just batshit raving
insane... I really doubt he's have much positive to say about ibogaine,
considering the Church of Scientology's position on drug addiction.

The fact that he's made boatloads of cash for Viacom and they still
dropped him, says a lot for his behavior in public over the last 2
years. He's a rich movie star, good for him. If he's a closet homo, who
really cares, except for millions of housewives in middle america who
lust after him and buy tickets to his movies. But when he starts acting
like he smokes crack in public and his handlers can't stop him, then
i'm sure lots of studios want to take a few steps back. Tom Cruise's
rep isn't exactly based on being loony tunes drug guy, it's more like
mom, apple pie and average american boy makes good.

To be clear, I'm not saying anything you've mentioned isn't worth
thinking about...... I'd really wonder about anyone who started to take
it seriously because of Tom Cruise though. His overall msg to people
who are depressed is to just get over it. I'm sure it's eaisier if
you're worth 2 billion.


--- Aimee Forrester wrote:

> Check this video link out;
> http://cchr.org/uploads/video/no_science.wmv
> After Tom Cruise' exposure of the psych drug fraud last year the FDA
> ordered 
> those anti-depressants to carry black labels warning citizens that
> they can 
> cause suicide, violence, psychosis, mania, heart attacks and sudden
> death 
> and that sales of such anti-depressants fell a 20% - it seems like
> the 
> psychs & the pharmaceuticals have not forgiven Tom for having cut
> their 
> income which is higher than $76 billions a year a 20%. That must have
> hurt. 
> It's a hell of a lot of money!
> Just recently we all heard about the noisy split between Paramount
> (owned by 
> Viacom) and Tom. Why was Cruise slammed by Viacom's head when he had
> made 1 
> billion for them in the last year just with his last two movies War
> of the 
> Worlds and MI3? Well, the amount of money made by the movie industry
> is 
> peanuts compared to the amount of money made by the pharmaceutical
> industry. 
> In fact, it happens that William Gray, who is part of Viacom's board
> of 
> directors, is also on the board of Pfizer (the largest pharmaceutical
> company by 2004 sales). And Ivan Seidenberg, who is also part of
> Viacom's 
> board of directors, is on the board of Wyeth (the 10th largest 
> pharmaceutical company by 2004 sales). You are free to pull the
> string if 
> you want to know the whole truth... you may be very surprised.
> By the way, it seems that Viacom's shares fell as much as a 10% after
> the 
> whole thing...
> Psychiatry and the pharmaceuticals sure have the resources to create
> such a 
> huge media wave in an attempt to destroy Tom Cruise, who is putting
> their 
> risky business in danger just by unveiling the truth. If they were
> not doing 
> anything wrong why should they care about him and about what he said?
> If you not to prejudge and you care to investigate a little bit
> around on 
> your own you can find very interesting data and evidence in webs such
> as 
> www.cchr.org and others. I have also found very interesting books on
> the 
> subject. Last but not least, there is an extremely interesting video
> around 
> on the Internet they sure don't want you to watch: More Even more
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