[Ibogaine] Re: the whole "re-setting" thing
ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Wed Jun 14 21:21:25 EDT 2006
thanks Warren, I can always use some more scare stories and valid points to
add to my list of reasons why I REALLY NEED TO KICK THIS PARTICULARY NOXIOUS
Peace, love and respect,
"Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness"
ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Lee Theriot" <wleetheriot at comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: the whole "re-setting" thing
> Just to add my two cents worth about tobacco: I started smoking on a
> semi-regular basis at the end of High School partly because of peer
> pressure and my letting go of some thinking that it would not hurt me if
> I only did it one in a while. I had a girlfriend who smoked at the time
> so, it kind of went along with a pleasure-reward system in my mind. After
> a few years of smoking and drinking at college fraternity parties, I
> began to become burnt out on binge drinking. Smoking became a
> non-pleasure after I started to get a lot of respiratory infections,
> really serious tonsillitus, that would lay me up for two weeks at time
> twice a year with high fevers up to 105 degrees. The smell of smoke on my
> own hair, body and clothes became sickening to smell. After one last
> tonsilitus episode when I was 25, I decided to get my tonsils out and
> also quit smoking. I had no withdrawals, no cravings, no discomfort of
> any kind from lack of nicotine. I can't stand tobacco in any form now.
> The last time I smoked tobacco, like about a year ago, when I was out of
> everything else to take, it gave me a horrible stomach ache, a sore
> throat and I ended up getting very angry. So the hell with tobacco for
> me. Why would I want to make myself chronically ill only to die from
> cancer? Frank Zappa, bless his soul, totally refused all pot, yet he
> insisted on smoking cigarrettes and then died of Prostate cancer. What a
> tragic loss of a great talent and personality. He was my favorite
> guitarist before Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton. A big influence on my
> musical tastes. I would say that to get an affective aversion to tobacco,
> dwell on the smell of your clothes, breath, gunk in your throat, etc. Get
> to hate these feelings more that the short relaxation from the nicotine.
> Give a lot of thought to the pain that awaits in the future because of
> the habit. Relate that anticipated pain of cancer to the withdrawal
> symptoms of opiates and realize that the illness of cancer cannot be as
> easily stopped as that of withdrawing from opiates, no matter how hard it
> may be to get off Methadone for example. Please do yourself another big
> life-saving favor and try to make yourself hate tobacco. It will kill
> deader than a lifetime of opiate addiction that just makes you feel like
> you are dying. [If one doesn't OD or get HIV or Liver disease from using
> needles to abuse their flesh and blood]. A doctor didn't want to give me
> codeine once a long time ago, because he said it would hurt my stomach.
> What he didn't explain was that it may not hurt so much while you are
> taking it, it hurts very bad for a long time when stopping a long-time
> habit. That is what you have to look out for, the long-term consequences.
> When I do finally get to take Ibogaine, I hope to not be addicted to
> anything but life itself, rather to help get my spiritual house in order
> via the Bwiti. So far, I am actually succeeding in slowly tapering off
> the pills, with some spells of sickness, but the less I take, the less
> sick I get also. Just need to deal with my legs and feet somehow. Like a
> lot of concentration on money-making, creatively inspiring projects to
> take my mind off my body sensations. Anyway, I get one of the the
> greatest pleasures from listening to some new music that has just the
> right feel that makes my spirits soar. Too bad we humans get addicted to
> pleasure so easily and that the pleasure effects become so quickly
> satiated. Anyway, getting off codeine has got to be better than viagra
> for a healthy person like myself. Another thing about tobacco, it
> decreases your libido and functionality, by constricting blood flow and
> decreasing nerve sensation to the important places.
> Warren Lee
> On Jun 14, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Preston Peet wrote:
>> someone recently suggested to my girlfriend V that I chew on mint, or
>> barring that, parseley, when trying to kick tobacco. Haven't tried it
>> yet, but am wondering if you've ever heard similar suggestions. Would
>> this be simply to give me something to do orally instead of sucking a
>> cigarette, or is there something chemical about mint and/or parseley
>> that might help with the kicking?
>> Ibogaine hasn't done much more than decrease my appetite for smoking
>> tobacco initially, right after the ibo experiences, but I have quickly
>> become a regular, nearly a pack a day smoker again.
>> Peace, love and respect,
>> Preston Peet
>> "Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
>> mistaken for madness"
>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>> ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
>> Editor "Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
>> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History"
>> Editor "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs"
>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>> Columnist New York Waste
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandra Karpetas
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:34 PM
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: the whole "re-setting" thing
>> Hi Martee,
>> You make a good point, I certainly don't want to instill a fear of
>> parsley into anyone... That would be cruel and totally anathema to my
>> love of plants, plant medicines, my belief in our inherent right to use
>> them for medicinal purposes and for the right to information about their
>> I'll try to clarify with regards to what I know about portion size/ dose,
>> however the potency of the parsley (often the italian variety with flat
>> leaves is more potent), how it is eaten/taken and whether you are female
>> or male, may also need to be taken into consideration. Parsley is safe
>> to take in almost any quantity/dose by most everyone (as far as I know)
>> except that pregnant women should be careful with it and women who are
>> not expecting to bleed should be aware that parsley can cause this.
>> Fresh parsley in amounts as little (or as much) as 2 cups can cause a
>> woman's menstrual cycle to begin within a day or 3. Cooked or steeped
>> parsley (such as in tea) make require just a handful or two to cause
>> some women to bleed early. This may be different for different women, as
>> we all metabolize differently and I don't know if eating parsley
>> regularly can cause a woman's body to become tolerant to this effect?
>> perhaps...In any case, I'm an occasional fan of parsley myself and don't
>> mind that it may have these effects, but I appreciate knowing that it
>> can affect me in certain ways. I think it is a wonderful herb and that
>> it can be a very healthy addition to the diet. Anyone who is curious to
>> know more, should look it up or talk to a herbalist.
>> I also deeply agree with your comment about being in tune to one's needs
>> and I think it is something we should all strive to develop and achieve
>> and would like to add that being in tune may also include informing
>> oneself and each other of the potentials/ possibilities regardless of how
>> or if they may actually effect us or not.
>> Thanks Martee for encouraging me to clarify ...
>> m. finman <mafinman at optonline.net> wrote:
>> I agree it's important to know what results when things are done in
>> excess(and anything even good stuff can be done in excess) I feel you
>> have represented parsley in a way that could instill fear of it in those
>> that don't have the sense to recognize the signs of cause and effect
>> from their food or their actions for that matter. Is putting a whole
>> head of parsley in a pot of soup too much? Is juicing a 1/3 of a bunch
>> with other veggies too much? Is cutting up a handful in an omlett too
>> much? A small amount of parsley (brings to mind the sprig they put on
>> your plate in restaurants) i believe isn't as therapeutic as stated.
>> Ideally one should be in tune with their world to where they resonate
>> with what they need, how much, how often. This is a part of the
>> intuitive response that could work in all areas of life.
>> I have read other info you have posted and recognize your talents
>> and dedication but for some reason this one kind of stirred something in
>> me. It must be an issue i'm working on that has nothing to do with
>> Thank you
>> "Sandra Karpetas" <sandra at ibogatherapyhouse.net>
>> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:05 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] the whole "re-setting" thing
>> Hiya Ladees,
>> Btw, large amounts of parsley can affect your menstrual cycles. It can
>> make you bleed sooner than you're supposed to as its an emmenagogue
>> (brings on your period and can also cause abortions), so be careful.
>> You've taken too much if you can taste it in your throat afterwards
>> (it's kinda metallic tasting). It can be a real good thing in small
>> amounts tho, cleanses and purifies blood...
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