[Ibogaine] Re: the whole "re-setting" thing

Preston Peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Wed Jun 14 21:21:25 EDT 2006

thanks Warren, I can always use some more scare stories and valid points to 

Peace, love and respect,

"Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often 
mistaken for madness"
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Editor "Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, 
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History"
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Columnist New York Waste

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Lee Theriot" <wleetheriot at comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: the whole "re-setting" thing

> Just to add my two cents worth about tobacco: I started smoking on a 
> semi-regular basis at the end of High School partly because of peer 
> pressure and my letting go of some thinking that it would not hurt me  if 
> I only did it one in a while. I had a girlfriend who smoked at the  time 
> so, it kind of went along with a pleasure-reward system in my  mind. After 
> a few years of smoking and drinking at college fraternity  parties, I 
> began to become burnt out on binge drinking. Smoking  became a 
> non-pleasure after I started to get a lot of respiratory  infections, 
> really serious tonsillitus, that would lay me up for two  weeks at time 
> twice a year with high fevers up to 105 degrees. The  smell of smoke on my 
> own hair, body and clothes became sickening to  smell. After one last 
> tonsilitus episode when I was 25, I decided to  get my tonsils out and 
> also quit smoking. I had no withdrawals, no  cravings, no discomfort of 
> any kind from lack of nicotine. I can't  stand tobacco in any form now. 
> The last time I smoked tobacco, like  about a year ago, when I was out of 
> everything else to take, it gave  me a horrible stomach ache, a sore 
> throat and I ended up getting very  angry. So the hell with tobacco for 
> me. Why would I want to make  myself chronically ill only to die from 
> cancer? Frank Zappa, bless  his soul, totally refused all pot, yet he 
> insisted on smoking  cigarrettes and then died of Prostate cancer. What a 
> tragic loss of a  great talent and personality. He was my favorite 
> guitarist before  Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton. A big influence on my 
> musical tastes.  I would say that to get an affective aversion to tobacco, 
> dwell on  the smell of your clothes, breath, gunk in your throat, etc. Get 
> to  hate these feelings more that the short relaxation from the nicotine. 
> Give a lot of thought to the pain that awaits in the future because  of 
> the habit. Relate that anticipated pain of cancer to the  withdrawal 
> symptoms of opiates and realize that the illness of cancer  cannot be as 
> easily stopped as that of withdrawing from opiates, no  matter how hard it 
> may be to get off Methadone for example. Please do  yourself another big 
> life-saving favor and try to make yourself hate  tobacco. It will kill 
> deader than a lifetime of opiate addiction  that  just makes you feel like 
> you are dying. [If one doesn't OD or  get HIV or Liver disease from using 
> needles to abuse their flesh and  blood]. A doctor didn't want to give me 
> codeine once a long time ago,  because he said it would hurt my stomach. 
> What he didn't explain was  that it may not hurt so much while you are 
> taking it, it hurts very  bad for a long time when stopping a long-time 
> habit. That is what you  have to look out for, the long-term consequences. 
> When I do finally  get to take Ibogaine, I hope to not be addicted to 
> anything but life  itself, rather to help get my spiritual house in order 
> via the Bwiti.  So far, I am actually succeeding in slowly tapering off 
> the pills,  with some spells of sickness, but the less I take, the less 
> sick I  get also. Just need to deal with my legs and feet somehow. Like a 
> lot  of concentration on money-making, creatively inspiring projects to 
> take my mind off my body sensations. Anyway, I get one of the the 
> greatest pleasures from listening to some new music that has just the 
> right feel that makes my spirits soar. Too bad we humans get addicted  to 
> pleasure so easily and that the pleasure effects become so quickly 
> satiated. Anyway, getting off codeine has got to be better than  viagra 
> for a healthy person like myself. Another thing about tobacco,  it 
> decreases your libido and functionality, by constricting blood  flow and 
> decreasing nerve sensation to the important places.
> Warren Lee
> On Jun 14, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Preston Peet wrote:
>> someone recently suggested to my girlfriend V that I chew on mint,  or 
>> barring that, parseley, when trying to kick tobacco. Haven't  tried it 
>> yet, but am wondering if you've ever heard similar  suggestions. Would 
>> this be simply to give me something to do orally  instead of sucking a 
>> cigarette, or is there something chemical  about mint and/or parseley 
>> that might help with the kicking?
>> Ibogaine hasn't done much more than decrease my appetite for  smoking 
>> tobacco initially, right after the ibo experiences, but I  have quickly 
>> become a regular, nearly a pack a day smoker again.
>> Peace, love and respect,
>> Preston Peet
>> "Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  often 
>> mistaken for madness"
>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>> ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
>> Editor "Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient  Civilizations, 
>> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History"
>> Editor "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs"
>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>> Columnist New York Waste
>> Etc.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandra Karpetas
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:34 PM
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: the whole "re-setting" thing
>> Hi Martee,
>> You make a good point, I certainly don't want to instill a fear of 
>> parsley into anyone... That would be cruel and totally anathema to  my 
>> love of plants, plant medicines, my belief in our inherent right  to use 
>> them for medicinal purposes and for the right to information  about their 
>> use.
>> I'll try to clarify with regards to what I know about portion size/ dose, 
>> however the potency of the parsley (often the italian variety  with flat 
>> leaves is more potent), how it is eaten/taken and whether  you are female 
>> or male, may also need to be taken into  consideration. Parsley is safe 
>> to take in almost any quantity/dose  by most everyone (as far as I know) 
>> except that pregnant women  should be careful with it and women who are 
>> not expecting to bleed  should be aware that parsley can cause this. 
>> Fresh parsley in  amounts as little (or as much) as 2 cups can cause a 
>> woman's  menstrual cycle to begin within a day or 3. Cooked or steeped 
>> parsley (such as in tea) make require just a handful or two to  cause 
>> some women to bleed early. This may be different for  different women, as 
>> we all metabolize differently and I don't know  if eating parsley 
>> regularly can cause a woman's body to become  tolerant to this effect? 
>> perhaps...In any case, I'm an occasional  fan of parsley myself and don't 
>> mind that it may have these  effects, but I appreciate knowing that it 
>> can affect me in certain  ways. I think it is a wonderful herb and that 
>> it can be a very  healthy addition to the diet. Anyone who is curious to 
>> know more,  should look it up or talk to a herbalist.
>> I also deeply agree with your comment about being in tune to one's  needs 
>> and I think it is something we should all strive to develop  and achieve 
>> and would like to add that being in tune may also  include informing 
>> oneself and each other of the potentials/ possibilities regardless of how 
>> or if they may actually effect us  or not.
>> Thanks Martee for encouraging me to clarify ...
>> Cheers,
>> Sandra
>> m. finman <mafinman at optonline.net> wrote:
>> Sandra,
>>    I agree it's important to know what results when things are done  in 
>> excess(and anything even good stuff can be done in excess)  I  feel you 
>> have represented parsley in a way that could instill fear  of it in those 
>> that don't have the sense to recognize the signs of  cause and effect 
>> from their food or their actions for that matter.   Is putting a whole 
>> head of parsley in a pot of soup too much?  Is  juicing a 1/3 of a bunch 
>> with other veggies too much?  Is cutting  up a handful in an omlett too 
>> much?  A small amount of parsley (brings to mind the sprig they put on 
>> your plate in restaurants) i  believe isn't as therapeutic as stated.
>>    Ideally one should be in tune with their world to where they  resonate 
>> with what they need, how much, how often.  This is a part  of the 
>> intuitive response that could work in all areas of life.
>>     I have read other info you have posted and recognize your  talents 
>> and dedication but for some reason this one kind of  stirred something in 
>> me. It must be an issue i'm working on that  has nothing to do with 
>> parsley.
>>                                                                 Thank you 
>> Sandra,
>> Martee
>> "Sandra Karpetas" <sandra at ibogatherapyhouse.net>
>> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:05 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] the whole "re-setting" thing
>> Hiya Ladees,
>> Btw, large amounts of parsley can affect your menstrual cycles. It  can 
>> make you bleed sooner than you're supposed to as its an  emmenagogue 
>> (brings on your period and can also cause abortions),  so be careful. 
>> You've taken too much if you can taste it in your  throat afterwards 
>> (it's kinda metallic tasting). It can be a real  good thing in small 
>> amounts tho, cleanses and purifies blood...
>> Cheers,
>> Sandra
>>  /] 
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