[Ibogaine] Re: the whole "re-setting" thing

Preston Peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Wed Jun 14 21:21:25 EDT 2006


thanks Warren, I can always use some more scare stories and valid points to 
add to my list of reasons why I REALLY NEED TO KICK THIS PARTICULARY NOXIOUS 
WEED.
Egad.

Peace, love and respect,
Preston

"Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often 
mistaken for madness"
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Editor "Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, 
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History"
Editor "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs"
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Cont. High Times mag/.com
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Lee Theriot" <wleetheriot at comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: the whole "re-setting" thing


> Just to add my two cents worth about tobacco: I started smoking on a 
> semi-regular basis at the end of High School partly because of peer 
> pressure and my letting go of some thinking that it would not hurt me  if 
> I only did it one in a while. I had a girlfriend who smoked at the  time 
> so, it kind of went along with a pleasure-reward system in my  mind. After 
> a few years of smoking and drinking at college fraternity  parties, I 
> began to become burnt out on binge drinking. Smoking  became a 
> non-pleasure after I started to get a lot of respiratory  infections, 
> really serious tonsillitus, that would lay me up for two  weeks at time 
> twice a year with high fevers up to 105 degrees. The  smell of smoke on my 
> own hair, body and clothes became sickening to  smell. After one last 
> tonsilitus episode when I was 25, I decided to  get my tonsils out and 
> also quit smoking. I had no withdrawals, no  cravings, no discomfort of 
> any kind from lack of nicotine. I can't  stand tobacco in any form now. 
> The last time I smoked tobacco, like  about a year ago, when I was out of 
> everything else to take, it gave  me a horrible stomach ache, a sore 
> throat and I ended up getting very  angry. So the hell with tobacco for 
> me. Why would I want to make  myself chronically ill only to die from 
> cancer? Frank Zappa, bless  his soul, totally refused all pot, yet he 
> insisted on smoking  cigarrettes and then died of Prostate cancer. What a 
> tragic loss of a  great talent and personality. He was my favorite 
> guitarist before  Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton. A big influence on my 
> musical tastes.  I would say that to get an affective aversion to tobacco, 
> dwell on  the smell of your clothes, breath, gunk in your throat, etc. Get 
> to  hate these feelings more that the short relaxation from the nicotine. 
> Give a lot of thought to the pain that awaits in the future because  of 
> the habit. Relate that anticipated pain of cancer to the  withdrawal 
> symptoms of opiates and realize that the illness of cancer  cannot be as 
> easily stopped as that of withdrawing from opiates, no  matter how hard it 
> may be to get off Methadone for example. Please do  yourself another big 
> life-saving favor and try to make yourself hate  tobacco. It will kill 
> deader than a lifetime of opiate addiction  that  just makes you feel like 
> you are dying. [If one doesn't OD or  get HIV or Liver disease from using 
> needles to abuse their flesh and  blood]. A doctor didn't want to give me 
> codeine once a long time ago,  because he said it would hurt my stomach. 
> What he didn't explain was  that it may not hurt so much while you are 
> taking it, it hurts very  bad for a long time when stopping a long-time 
> habit. That is what you  have to look out for, the long-term consequences. 
> When I do finally  get to take Ibogaine, I hope to not be addicted to 
> anything but life  itself, rather to help get my spiritual house in order 
> via the Bwiti.  So far, I am actually succeeding in slowly tapering off 
> the pills,  with some spells of sickness, but the less I take, the less 
> sick I  get also. Just need to deal with my legs and feet somehow. Like a 
> lot  of concentration on money-making, creatively inspiring projects to 
> take my mind off my body sensations. Anyway, I get one of the the 
> greatest pleasures from listening to some new music that has just the 
> right feel that makes my spirits soar. Too bad we humans get addicted  to 
> pleasure so easily and that the pleasure effects become so quickly 
> satiated. Anyway, getting off codeine has got to be better than  viagra 
> for a healthy person like myself. Another thing about tobacco,  it 
> decreases your libido and functionality, by constricting blood  flow and 
> decreasing nerve sensation to the important places.
> Warren Lee
>
> On Jun 14, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Preston Peet wrote:
>
>> someone recently suggested to my girlfriend V that I chew on mint,  or 
>> barring that, parseley, when trying to kick tobacco. Haven't  tried it 
>> yet, but am wondering if you've ever heard similar  suggestions. Would 
>> this be simply to give me something to do orally  instead of sucking a 
>> cigarette, or is there something chemical  about mint and/or parseley 
>> that might help with the kicking?
>> Ibogaine hasn't done much more than decrease my appetite for  smoking 
>> tobacco initially, right after the ibo experiences, but I  have quickly 
>> become a regular, nearly a pack a day smoker again.
>>
>> Peace, love and respect,
>> Preston Peet
>>
>> "Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  often 
>> mistaken for madness"
>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>
>> ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
>> Editor "Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient  Civilizations, 
>> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History"
>> Editor "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs"
>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>> Columnist New York Waste
>> Etc.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandra Karpetas
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:34 PM
>> Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: the whole "re-setting" thing
>>
>>
>> Hi Martee,
>>
>> You make a good point, I certainly don't want to instill a fear of 
>> parsley into anyone... That would be cruel and totally anathema to  my 
>> love of plants, plant medicines, my belief in our inherent right  to use 
>> them for medicinal purposes and for the right to information  about their 
>> use.
>>
>> I'll try to clarify with regards to what I know about portion size/ dose, 
>> however the potency of the parsley (often the italian variety  with flat 
>> leaves is more potent), how it is eaten/taken and whether  you are female 
>> or male, may also need to be taken into  consideration. Parsley is safe 
>> to take in almost any quantity/dose  by most everyone (as far as I know) 
>> except that pregnant women  should be careful with it and women who are 
>> not expecting to bleed  should be aware that parsley can cause this. 
>> Fresh parsley in  amounts as little (or as much) as 2 cups can cause a 
>> woman's  menstrual cycle to begin within a day or 3. Cooked or steeped 
>> parsley (such as in tea) make require just a handful or two to  cause 
>> some women to bleed early. This may be different for  different women, as 
>> we all metabolize differently and I don't know  if eating parsley 
>> regularly can cause a woman's body to become  tolerant to this effect? 
>> perhaps...In any case, I'm an occasional  fan of parsley myself and don't 
>> mind that it may have these  effects, but I appreciate knowing that it 
>> can affect me in certain  ways. I think it is a wonderful herb and that 
>> it can be a very  healthy addition to the diet. Anyone who is curious to 
>> know more,  should look it up or talk to a herbalist.
>>
>> I also deeply agree with your comment about being in tune to one's  needs 
>> and I think it is something we should all strive to develop  and achieve 
>> and would like to add that being in tune may also  include informing 
>> oneself and each other of the potentials/ possibilities regardless of how 
>> or if they may actually effect us  or not.
>>
>> Thanks Martee for encouraging me to clarify ...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Sandra
>>
>>
>> m. finman <mafinman at optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sandra,
>>    I agree it's important to know what results when things are done  in 
>> excess(and anything even good stuff can be done in excess)  I  feel you 
>> have represented parsley in a way that could instill fear  of it in those 
>> that don't have the sense to recognize the signs of  cause and effect 
>> from their food or their actions for that matter.   Is putting a whole 
>> head of parsley in a pot of soup too much?  Is  juicing a 1/3 of a bunch 
>> with other veggies too much?  Is cutting  up a handful in an omlett too 
>> much?  A small amount of parsley (brings to mind the sprig they put on 
>> your plate in restaurants) i  believe isn't as therapeutic as stated.
>>    Ideally one should be in tune with their world to where they  resonate 
>> with what they need, how much, how often.  This is a part  of the 
>> intuitive response that could work in all areas of life.
>>     I have read other info you have posted and recognize your  talents 
>> and dedication but for some reason this one kind of  stirred something in 
>> me. It must be an issue i'm working on that  has nothing to do with 
>> parsley.
>>                                                                 Thank you 
>> Sandra,
>> 
>> Martee
>> "Sandra Karpetas" <sandra at ibogatherapyhouse.net>
>> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:05 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] the whole "re-setting" thing
>>
>>
>> Hiya Ladees,
>>
>>
>> Btw, large amounts of parsley can affect your menstrual cycles. It  can 
>> make you bleed sooner than you're supposed to as its an  emmenagogue 
>> (brings on your period and can also cause abortions),  so be careful. 
>> You've taken too much if you can taste it in your  throat afterwards 
>> (it's kinda metallic tasting). It can be a real  good thing in small 
>> amounts tho, cleanses and purifies blood...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Sandra
>>
>>
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