[Ibogaine] Re: the whole "re-setting" thing

Warren Lee Theriot wleetheriot at comcast.net
Wed Jun 14 17:00:43 EDT 2006


Just to add my two cents worth about tobacco: I started smoking on a  
semi-regular basis at the end of High School partly because of peer  
pressure and my letting go of some thinking that it would not hurt me  
if I only did it one in a while. I had a girlfriend who smoked at the  
time so, it kind of went along with a pleasure-reward system in my  
mind. After a few years of smoking and drinking at college fraternity  
parties, I began to become burnt out on binge drinking. Smoking  
became a non-pleasure after I started to get a lot of respiratory  
infections, really serious tonsillitus, that would lay me up for two  
weeks at time twice a year with high fevers up to 105 degrees. The  
smell of smoke on my own hair, body and clothes became sickening to  
smell. After one last tonsilitus episode when I was 25, I decided to  
get my tonsils out and also quit smoking. I had no withdrawals, no  
cravings, no discomfort of any kind from lack of nicotine. I can't  
stand tobacco in any form now. The last time I smoked tobacco, like  
about a year ago, when I was out of everything else to take, it gave  
me a horrible stomach ache, a sore throat and I ended up getting very  
angry. So the hell with tobacco for me. Why would I want to make  
myself chronically ill only to die from cancer? Frank Zappa, bless  
his soul, totally refused all pot, yet he insisted on smoking  
cigarrettes and then died of Prostate cancer. What a tragic loss of a  
great talent and personality. He was my favorite guitarist before  
Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton. A big influence on my musical tastes.  
I would say that to get an affective aversion to tobacco, dwell on  
the smell of your clothes, breath, gunk in your throat, etc. Get to  
hate these feelings more that the short relaxation from the nicotine.  
Give a lot of thought to the pain that awaits in the future because  
of the habit. Relate that anticipated pain of cancer to the  
withdrawal symptoms of opiates and realize that the illness of cancer  
cannot be as easily stopped as that of withdrawing from opiates, no  
matter how hard it may be to get off Methadone for example. Please do  
yourself another big life-saving favor and try to make yourself hate  
tobacco. It will kill deader than a lifetime of opiate addiction  
that  just makes you feel like you are dying. [If one doesn't OD or  
get HIV or Liver disease from using needles to abuse their flesh and  
blood]. A doctor didn't want to give me codeine once a long time ago,  
because he said it would hurt my stomach. What he didn't explain was  
that it may not hurt so much while you are taking it, it hurts very  
bad for a long time when stopping a long-time habit. That is what you  
have to look out for, the long-term consequences. When I do finally  
get to take Ibogaine, I hope to not be addicted to anything but life  
itself, rather to help get my spiritual house in order via the Bwiti.  
So far, I am actually succeeding in slowly tapering off the pills,  
with some spells of sickness, but the less I take, the less sick I  
get also. Just need to deal with my legs and feet somehow. Like a lot  
of concentration on money-making, creatively inspiring projects to  
take my mind off my body sensations. Anyway, I get one of the the  
greatest pleasures from listening to some new music that has just the  
right feel that makes my spirits soar. Too bad we humans get addicted  
to pleasure so easily and that the pleasure effects become so quickly  
satiated. Anyway, getting off codeine has got to be better than  
viagra for a healthy person like myself. Another thing about tobacco,  
it decreases your libido and functionality, by constricting blood  
flow and decreasing nerve sensation to the important places.
Warren Lee

On Jun 14, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Preston Peet wrote:

> someone recently suggested to my girlfriend V that I chew on mint,  
> or barring that, parseley, when trying to kick tobacco. Haven't  
> tried it yet, but am wondering if you've ever heard similar  
> suggestions. Would this be simply to give me something to do orally  
> instead of sucking a cigarette, or is there something chemical  
> about mint and/or parseley that might help with the kicking?
> Ibogaine hasn't done much more than decrease my appetite for  
> smoking tobacco initially, right after the ibo experiences, but I  
> have quickly become a regular, nearly a pack a day smoker again.
>
> Peace, love and respect,
> Preston Peet
>
> "Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is  
> often mistaken for madness"
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
> Editor "Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient  
> Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History"
> Editor "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs"
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandra Karpetas
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:34 PM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: the whole "re-setting" thing
>
>
> Hi Martee,
>
> You make a good point, I certainly don't want to instill a fear of  
> parsley into anyone... That would be cruel and totally anathema to  
> my love of plants, plant medicines, my belief in our inherent right  
> to use them for medicinal purposes and for the right to information  
> about their use.
>
> I'll try to clarify with regards to what I know about portion size/ 
> dose, however the potency of the parsley (often the italian variety  
> with flat leaves is more potent), how it is eaten/taken and whether  
> you are female or male, may also need to be taken into  
> consideration. Parsley is safe to take in almost any quantity/dose  
> by most everyone (as far as I know) except that pregnant women  
> should be careful with it and women who are not expecting to bleed  
> should be aware that parsley can cause this. Fresh parsley in  
> amounts as little (or as much) as 2 cups can cause a woman's  
> menstrual cycle to begin within a day or 3. Cooked or steeped  
> parsley (such as in tea) make require just a handful or two to  
> cause some women to bleed early. This may be different for  
> different women, as we all metabolize differently and I don't know  
> if eating parsley regularly can cause a woman's body to become  
> tolerant to this effect? perhaps...In any case, I'm an occasional  
> fan of parsley myself and don't mind that it may have these  
> effects, but I appreciate knowing that it can affect me in certain  
> ways. I think it is a wonderful herb and that it can be a very  
> healthy addition to the diet. Anyone who is curious to know more,  
> should look it up or talk to a herbalist.
>
> I also deeply agree with your comment about being in tune to one's  
> needs and I think it is something we should all strive to develop  
> and achieve and would like to add that being in tune may also  
> include informing oneself and each other of the potentials/ 
> possibilities regardless of how or if they may actually effect us  
> or not.
>
> Thanks Martee for encouraging me to clarify ...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sandra
>
>
> m. finman <mafinman at optonline.net> wrote:
>
> Sandra,
>    I agree it's important to know what results when things are done  
> in excess(and anything even good stuff can be done in excess)  I  
> feel you have represented parsley in a way that could instill fear  
> of it in those that don't have the sense to recognize the signs of  
> cause and effect from their food or their actions for that matter.   
> Is putting a whole head of parsley in a pot of soup too much?  Is  
> juicing a 1/3 of a bunch with other veggies too much?  Is cutting  
> up a handful in an omlett too much?  A small amount of parsley 
> (brings to mind the sprig they put on your plate in restaurants) i  
> believe isn't as therapeutic as stated.
>    Ideally one should be in tune with their world to where they  
> resonate with what they need, how much, how often.  This is a part  
> of the intuitive response that could work in all areas of life.
>     I have read other info you have posted and recognize your  
> talents  and dedication but for some reason this one kind of  
> stirred something in me. It must be an issue i'm working on that  
> has nothing to do with parsley.
>                                                                 
> Thank you Sandra,
>                                                                        
>       Martee
> "Sandra Karpetas" <sandra at ibogatherapyhouse.net>
> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] the whole "re-setting" thing
>
>
> Hiya Ladees,
>
>
> Btw, large amounts of parsley can affect your menstrual cycles. It  
> can make you bleed sooner than you're supposed to as its an  
> emmenagogue (brings on your period and can also cause abortions),  
> so be careful. You've taken too much if you can taste it in your  
> throat afterwards (it's kinda metallic tasting). It can be a real  
> good thing in small amounts tho, cleanses and purifies blood...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sandra
>
>
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