[Ibogaine] Ibogaine fatality paper

Nick Sandberg nick227 at tiscali.co.uk
Sun Jun 4 16:33:29 EDT 2006

Hi Ekki, Uwe, Suester and others,

I think this post and Uwe and Suester's comments here raise some very
interesting issues. Personally, I am not convinced that the "Western way" of
giving ibogaine - usually in a darkened room with minimum intrusion - really
works so well, especially longer term. My gut feeling is that the Bwiti
approach, with its much higher level of social interaction throughout the
session, is potentially a lot better. In the West, I think there is this
core belief in a lot of people that healing is something you do on your own
somewhere, away from the gaze of others, and it's this belief that is
actually creating the problems people are seeking healing for. Maybe
sometime someone will try more the African way here and see if results
longer term are better.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg at gmx.de]
> Sent: 29 May 2006 20:13
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Ibogaine fatality paper
> Am 28.05.2006 um 09:02 schrieb umaas at scientific-african.org:
> > To be in a dark room with headphones on is really the opposite of the
> > continuous
> > social interactions and the "collective setting" as Rachel calls it -
> > and as
> > well as personally, we would prefer to do it the African way, it's
> > obvious that
> > different cultures are resulting in different needs as to be able to
> > be on it's
> > own or to profit from the collective support.
> >
> > Concerning lateral movements, you came to the same sesult as the
> > African
> > healers. Maybe it's interesting that at later stages of the ritual,
> > they tell
> > the candidate to move and even dance rapidly with "full body
> > diadochokinesis",
> > thus provoking new visions.
> when detoxing from drugs having a minimum of interaction and input from
> outside seemed perfect for me, but later on going out dancing using
> mid-range doses of ibo added a whole new dimension and maybe helped to
> digest the initial trip, also with the "emotional release" that comes
> with jumping around to energetic music. never got much out of bwiti
> music (guess you have to hear it life), while hard techno seems to be
> ideal with ibo.
> -ekki
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