[Ibogaine] ibo wanted in the USA pls

Warren Lee Theriot wleetheriot at comcast.net
Mon Jul 17 16:45:44 EDT 2006

I am not "expecting" the world to save me or even itself. It is each  
individual's responsibility [if they are well and lucid enough] to  
try to provide their own security and health. However, I keep Asking  
that someone with enough money and influence please provide More help  
to the world in the field of addiction medicine. Someone at the FDA  
get an attitude adjustment, please. That comes from  years of  
watching others fail miserably in their own lives with drug abuse,  
ever since grade school. I have kept clean from addiction until a  
chronic pain syndrome presented itself later on in adulthood. I Ask  
also [and for the large part it has been granted] that more  
information about treatments be published and discussed openly on  
radio and TV and the papers. If the information about Ibogaine that  
is available now was  known to me 12 or 15 years ago, I might have  
had some influence to convince some people I knew to seek Ibogaine  
treatment. I just encourage the continued acceptance of using  
Ibogaine as a useful tool to treat pain problems associated with  
chemical dependency. That is really all I am asking for. Not  
handouts, but opening of more minds to the possibilities of research  
into what makes the body and mind work at its best and how to revive  
lives that have fallen into the pits of despair. That can't be too  
much to ask for is it? Thank you Nick and Howard and Dana and  
everyone else who has been on the frontlines of this fight to ease a  
particular kind of human suffering. It is still too bad that the  
profit-factor of capitalism is cannibalistic as it is. Something  
about a lack of morality to go along with modern  corporatism bothers  
me. Screw the worker, exploit the consumer and walk away with Exxon- 
like profits and get away scot-free. Thats what makes the news.

On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:01 AM, guy b wrote:

> Hi Nick / All
> It takes some believing, leastways for me. That anyone could  
> possibly be so wicked as to wish to prolong another persons  
> suffering to make more money. That's worse than the worst cruelties  
> of a tin-pot dictatorship. There is at least some honesty in a  
> sadist doing what they enjoy, but for people to be willing to  
> permit or prelong suffering in the name of profit - That is beyond  
> belief.  I'm not a biblical man but that well used quotation; "The  
> love of money is the root of all evil" does seem apt.  Adding  
> insult to injury these individuals also expect universal acclaim  
> for their modest contributions and monstrous profits.   This may  
> seem a little harsh but the stakes are very very high and unless  
> the closed, secretive hugely profitable organisations have morals  
> quite beyond reproach, change is overdue.
> In short listen to their advice, follow that which sounds right but  
> try to remain open to all alternatives.  It is a matter of record  
> that numerous people do recover from terminal illnesses. When that  
> occurs the original diagnosis is usually re-written to remain  
> plausible. Otherwise medical statistics would be self-contradictory.
> A well respected scientist (in the UK) has had remarkable results  
> treating cancer patients with fruit extracts, (google: fruitforce)   
> his colleagues have not supported him, his research grant has been  
> withdrawn and although his work cannot be faulted he has now been  
> denied funding for a possible inexpensive safe treatment. What's  
> more, the story isn't even newsworthy.
> A macrobiotic diet can also have a dramatic impact on most serious  
> illnesses and will certainly strengthen the body.
> Now more than ever we must look to ourselves to promote and  
> maintain good health.
> Hugz to All
> Guy
> ps: still doing Ibogaine research (phase one complete) ..... watch  
> this space :o)
> From: nick227 at tiscali.co.uk
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:06:34 +0100
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibo wanted in the USA pls
> Hi Warren,
> Personally I would take the attitude that you cannot expect a drug  
> company to produce something that is good for you. The way our  
> world has worked out, that's just how it is as I see it. I would  
> ignore "how things should be" or "what my parents told me" or "what  
> TV tells me." It's just the mind fucking with you. I don't think  
> anyone should come from the place of EXPECTING the world to save  
> you. It's not reality and only you can save yourself anyway. The  
> help we need, the support we need, we have to create that for  
> ourselves in our own lives.
> Guys like Bill Gates are never gonna rock the fucking boat, man. I  
> don't see it. This stuff is fantasy. If you want change you have to  
> bring it about yourself, and mostly it's internal change in my  
> experience. Sounds to me like you're doing the right thing anyway.
> Nick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Warren Lee Theriot [mailto:wleetheriot at comcast.net]
> Sent: 15 July 2006 21:03
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibo wanted in the USA pls
> I just can't seem to ask the right question. It seems to me that  
> Aids drugs developed are so far only treating the disease, not  
> curing it so there is long term profits to b made in the meantime.  
> Ibogaine is a limited use treatment at this point[my perception] so  
> there is no long-term profit model to work with. Out of all the  
> world's billionaires why can't someone like Bill Gates do an  
> altruistic act of humanitarianism and fund a major Ibogaine  
> treatment program close to the USA. Maybe someone already is. For  
> me at this point, Ibogaine is like the nuclear option for me to  
> stay off pain killers, as weak as the ones are I am taking. I could  
> get off completely by myself without too much discomfort, by now,  
> but I need a long term support group to stay involved with closely  
> and personally, locally. I called a doctor last night, and  
> consulted this morning on the phone. So next week I am going to  
> confront my medical condition with a professional. First I am going  
> to learn how to not keep retreating to the medication for my leg  
> pains as they are not life threatening like the meds can be. At the  
> same time I am going to get my anxiety treated with non-habituating  
> meds or better without any meds. But I really wish I could get  
> another chance to work normal hours with comfortable pay to help me  
> keep my self in the mainstream of life. It gets so depressing when  
> there doesn't seem to be anything worthwhile to do with my time and  
> talents. Maybe the media industry is just too cut-throat for me to  
> find a happy niche again. I'd like another chance, but if something  
> doesn't come up in the next month. I just may get a job at an art  
> supply or framing business. I could do wonders with music editing  
> on pro tools or final cut after all the 5 years of learning the  
> basics from Creative or Wavelab, but who am I going to call for a  
> job? If Paul McCartney made billions without learning to read  
> music, I don't see why I couldn't just get-by with what I know  
> about computer editing and the basics of music that I know. There  
> goes years of union dues down the drain with nothing to show for it  
> but 4 old film credits from a major animation studio and no where  
> to go from here. And if the alien inside my stomach doesn't stop  
> trying to break out through my chest anytime soon and go back to  
> sleep I might also have a chance at getting ahead again. Things  
> have been so bleak since February when my Dad died from a stroke. I  
> felt so useless and unable to communicate for the 5 weeks he  
> suffered. It would have been easier to take if he hadn't died  
> knowing I was so unhappy at the time. But, thank the Universe for  
> not placing me in a shooting war at least. My life could be a lot  
> worse, so maybe I should just shut up.
> WT.
> On Jul 15, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Nick Sandberg wrote:
> Tell me once in the last 30 years when a drug company has claimed  
> NOT to be in it for the money. I mean, they are just businesses.  
> This is all they are. Some things capitalism can do great. Other  
> stuff it's not really so suited for. Creating useful medications  
> comes more into the latter category. But what I see is that people  
> just don't want to face this. They want the daytime TV fantasy of  
> models in labsuits saving the world.
> In reality, it's basically "Can we patent this shit?" "What's the  
> upfront R&D?" And "How many years do we have before likely side  
> effects manifest and what's our exposure on that?" As long as the  
> figures balance they just go for it.
> I mean, in many ways, there's something actually kind of cool about  
> such an insanely immoral business. The bottom line is "Don't  
> believe the hype."
> Nick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ::dharmabumwarrior:: [mailto:click80 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: 15 July 2006 17:11
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ibo wanted in the uk pls
> I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see that when it comes  
> to drug development, it is all about the bottom line. Tell me one  
> medication in the last 30 years that the "collective, public, and  
> political will" has brought to market. AIDS drugs do not meet the  
> challenge as the goverment supported their development, not with  
> pressure, but with taxpayers money. I would love to be corrected on  
> this.
> Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot at gmail.com> wrote:
> The "risk" of developing medications can be offset by collective,
> public, and political will.
> And while pragmatic in real-world sensibility, nevertheless, Nick, the
> explanation contra-conspiracy that "it's all about the money" (my
> nutshell of your thoughts) ignores the plausible possibility that the
> ideology behind commercialism and capitalism is not, in and of itself,
> a form of conspiracy.
> Although greed seems to be pretty hard-wired into the human species.
> xorachel
> /] 
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