[Ibogaine] Just for grasshopper...(Matt)

grasshopper rwd3 at cox.net
Mon Dec 25 12:32:11 EST 2006


Thank you for taking the time to write the response below.  To paraphrase the words of Pogo,  " I have seen the enemy and it is me........."  Peace to all,  ron
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  From: Helpful Hopeful 
  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 1:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Just for grasshopper...


  THANK YOU Matt!!  Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, happy Kwanzaa to all..  I appreciate another's views, especially when they spend the time to explain it in detail..  We are not hopless!!!  It's never easy, but nothing worth doing is..  Keep your head up, and keep trying, eventually, things will reveal themselves..  Just be true to yourself, and don't believe the bullshit that the drugs tell you..  You can make it, and don't be afraid if/when you slip and fall, just get back up, and try again..  All my best wishes!!

  You don't lose, until you give up!!


  ----- Original Message ----
  From: Matthew Shriver <Matt at ITSupport.net>
  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
  Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 7:39:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Just for grasshopper...


  Ron

  You probably already know what I am going to tell you but maybe you need to hear it again.  When I was replying to HH (Helpful Hopeful) about the whole powerless thing I sort of left it a little incomplete.  I knew I did when I wrote it but I was trying to be brief.  But I know that having had some time in the rooms yourself you have had this all broken down for you before, but in the spirit of the season I’ll try and do it again and maybe you’ll hear some little something that will help you.  The thing about being an addict is this, you’re pretty well fucked.  I remember doing shit I didn’t want to do in order to obtain drugs I really would have rather stopped using and then feeling like an utter asshole about the whole thing. And then doing essentially the same shit all over again once the drugs wore off.  So what some people get from the 12 steps is that they are powerless over drugs.  In fact in AA they actually say “powerless over alcohol” but in NA they don’t understand it that way.  If you truly believe you are an addict, then it is important to understand what an addict is in order to treat that condition.  If you have diabetes you better know what that means if you want to take actions to help preserve your health.  I said I don’t subscribe to the disease concept, and heard you say that you do, but my personal opinion is that it is irrelevant.  Disease or not, if I believe I am an addict then there are certain actions that I should take and certain actions that I should not take based on that knowledge.  At least if I want to preserve my health.  So the question is, what is an addict?  Because that ultimately determines what actions should and should not be taken, yes?  Well in NA they would say that it is the addiction that drives one to use drugs in a seemingly uncontrollable way.  But they would say that it is not the drug use itself that makes you an addict, it is the underlying condition.  Because what happens is that when addicts stop using drugs, they tend to replace that addictive behavior with other stuff like shopping and sex and gambling and whatever they can find that helps them to change the way they feel.  So all of these external “addictions” are not really the true addiction, they are actually signs of what addiction actually is.  Addiction is the underlying thing that drives an addict to do whatever it is they do to change the way they feel. Sometimes people describe it as an emptiness, a void, whatever.  And in NA they would say that that driving force, that is ultimately what you are powerless over.  You have that and you are essentially screwed.  It’s like that whack-a-mole game at chuck-e-cheese where you hit the fucking thing and another one pops out of another hole and you hit that one and another one pops out and you can never keep them all down all the time.  It’s just impossible.  So what do you do about it you ask?  Well again Ron you already know the answer.  But I will tell you again.  You get divine intervention.  You can’t fix you because you are the whole problem.  So you need something bigger than you.  And this is where a lot of people have a problem with the 12 steps (I did for years) because they use the word God. And I used to think God was a concept I could do without.  The truth was that it was other people’s concept of God that was lacking.  But this is where I think Ibogaine totally excels in addiction treatment.  It blows the doors of perception clean off the hinges and makes you face the fact that there is a whole hell of a lot more to this universe than everything that goes on inside of one merely human mind.  And since we spend so much of our lives living boxed up in the mental contraption that is our mind, with the whole of reality reduced to ideas that we can manipulate and handle and organize, we miss God.  We lose it.  The infinite becomes simply the really large and the ultimate becomes unimportant by virtue of it’s unexplainable nature.  If it can’t be analyzed it must not be real.  So I guess it is down to this.  If you are an addict, you need help beyond mere human intervention.  That of course does not preclude that help from coming in the form of a human agent because as they say, “The lord works in mysterious ways” (and by they I mean the people who’s concept of God I found lacking).  But as a different “they” says, “take what you need and leave the rest” so I sometimes still find value in the most unlikely places.  So there you have it man.  Get some connection going with your higher power and see where it takes you.  I don’t think there is such thing as a hopeless addict, not while they still draw breath.  Merry Christmas.

  Matt




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  From: grasshopper [mailto:rwd3 at cox.net] 
  Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 7:59 PM
  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Just for grasshopper...



  youse guys,  sleigh me! ron

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    From: BiscuitBoy714 at aol.com 

    To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 

    Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 7:16 PM

    Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Just for grasshopper...



    In a message dated 12/24/2006 5:24:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Matt at ITSupport.net writes:



           Well how does he get the rain deer to fly? OOOO he's got the magic dust. You know he takes little for Santa....a little bit for Rudolph......a little for Vixen........a little bit more for Santa.....a little bit more for Santa..............a little bit more for Santa ......How'd ya  think Rudolph got that red nose?........OOOOOO OK  

      I think it was nick who originally told this one:

      Why did Santa’s little helper use drugs?

      Because he suffered from low elf-esteem.




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      From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk] 
      Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 2:28 PM
      To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
      Subject: [Ibogaine] Just for grasshopper...



      Why is Santa Claus depressed??

      Cos he only gets to come once a year, and that's down the chimney.................

      Much love n hugs to you

      xxxxxxxx

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      From: grasshopper <rwd3 at cox.net>
      To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
      Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 10:24:17 AM
      Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ReJust for you Warren (and all...sappy)....

      To All:

      Seasons greetings, for what it is worth.  Me mum is in the hospital dying,  I am alone, depressed,  brain chemistry screwed, what else is new?  Comparing my insides to others outsides,  won't work.  For all that have made it, GREAT,  maybe my day will come.  2 sessions under belt, wonderful people on list.  Double thanks to the pathfinders and those that tried to help me on this trek.  Nothing easy about it,  for sure. Amends to all I have offended,,,,,,,,to the law, I never sold, diverted or knowingly broke it.... please consider

      as you evaluate me.  My goal is to be free of the dragon, help others and be a better person.    Please, someone make me laugh if possible. This thing is not logical,  those without it think it is a matter of choice,  yes, a decisionless choice which is not rational. I pray everyday to be lifted of the burden and not to harm others and myself. God's grace to all, or whatever one looks to for help in over coming this disease, and yes, it is a disease.  My cry for help is greater than ever,  some are sicker than others. Love is all there is,  our good deeds are the measure of at least my work  while alive.  ron,  only standing because of the help of others. May the Great Spirit save us all who still struggle in these trying times.













        ----- Original Message -----  

        From: Brad Hays 

        To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 

        Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:40 AM

        Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ReJust for you Warren....



        Hey Warren.  Yea...last year I was all shitty about Christmas because damn near all of western KY was snowed under at least a foot and none of our family could get together...so I ended up calling it 'X Day.'  I mean what the hell...Jesus wasn't even born on the 25th, whoever the hell he was!!...  But this year's different... 



        Kind of like a friend's birthday is a good excuse to go out and get fucked up; well, Christmas is a good excuse to relax and give ourselves a change of emotional scenery.  Even though most people rush around all season doing all kinds of crazy social stuff and shopping...I do just the opposite and take lots of time to myself and slip the bird to the retailers...real simple, real low stress presents.  I tend even to work a lot less during Dec, which means I spend more than I bring in...but what the hell...sure is nice to have what feels like a month long vacation. 



        Anyway...sucks about the money thing bro, but the bigger picture is quality of life...don't let it slip away.



        godspeed and happy x-da....ahem...Merry Christmas!

         

        On 12/19/06, Capt Kirk <captkirknz at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlHGu_hZkMc 

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        From: wleetheriot < wleetheriot at ca.rr.com>
        To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
        Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:54:11 AM
        Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] [OT] Marijuana is US's biggest cash crop

        And that f- word  that passes for speaker of the house of a "democratic congress" still refuses to impeach the mindless fucks that other mindless fucks voted into the w.h. and congress.  

        No Justice, No Peace,

        Warren

        Doesnt look like I'm going to get an Ibogainetreatment or anything else I had planned as the fucks at Home Loan Center

        pulled a "bait and switch" on me after approving a home loan. Now I'm so pissed at the whole govt and finance perverts business worse than Jesus at Temple. They can all shove their money tables up their collective holes. Meanwhile I don't know wtf to do as I can't work yet and I an NOT going anywhere to see anyone for Xmas. /What a crock of shite xmas is 


         


         



        On Dec 19, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Capt Kirk wrote:



        Wow didn't realise pot was a Class One over there!!

        a friend of mine got busted recently... they were almost apologetic about it... specially cos it was obviously personal use cultivation.......very half hearted search,,,, overlooked things even.,...$400 fine plus court costs.   I saw a doco on Timothy Leary yesturday...... 10 years jail for two joints in the seventies eeekkkk!! 

        Things have mellowed ever so slightly here to do with pot.....

        KIrk


         

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        From: Vector Vector <vector620022002 at yahoo.com>

        To: ibogaine at mindvox.com

        Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:09:26 AM

        Subject: [Ibogaine] [OT] Marijuana is US's biggest cash crop


         


         

        Marijuana is US's biggest cash crop

        By Lester Haines

        Published Tuesday 19th December 2006 07:51 GMT

        A report into illicit marijuana cultivation in the US says it is now

        the country's biggest cash crop, having seen a tenfold increase in

        production over the last 25 years.


         

        DrugScience.org's Marijuana Production in the United States

        (http://www.drugscience.org/bcr/index.html) puts the annual harvest at 

        10,000 tonnes, worth a cool $35.8bn (£18.4bn). Corn, meanwhile, weighs

        in at a mere $23bn, with soybeans marking up $17.6bn and hay a paltry

        $12.2bn. Dope is apparently the "biggest cash crop in 12 states",

        injecting more into the Georgia economy than peanuts and blowing away

        tobacco in North and South Carolina, The Guardian reports.


         

        Unsurprisingly, the main centre for pot production is California, which

        supplies $13.8bn worth of weed annually.


         

        The principal cause of the boom seems to be drug cartels moving

        cultivation to the US after increased post-9/11 border security closed

        traditional smuggling routes from Mexico. They often create plantations

        in "remote national park land", The Guardian notes.


         

        The conclusion of DrugScience.org's revealing probe is, according to

        author Jon Gettman, that "the war on drugs is not working". He said:

        "Illicit marijuana cultivation provides considerable unreported revenue

        for growers without corresponding tax obligations to compensate the

        public for the social and fiscal costs related to [its] use."


         

        The logical solution is, Gettman says, to legalise the crop - something

        which found little favour with the the White House Office of National

        Drug Control Policy. He also wants marijuana to be reclassified from

        its current status as a Schedule 1 drug, a category which includes

        heroin. ®


         

        http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/19/biggest_cash_crop/print.html 


         

        .:vector:.


         


         


         

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