[Ibogaine] Lunatic Geezer needs help

tink tinkerbell.sarah at gmail.com
Tue Aug 1 11:37:00 EDT 2006


WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!

On 8/1/06, edward conn <wardconn at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> interresting thread, I'd just to add and I think this is a trap thatI fall
> into, believeing thatmy anxiety is some sort of finite pool thatif I drain
> enohg off from, I won't have any left. But listening to your thread here, my
> rationale kicks in and I can recall, that of course it can't be like that
> only because anxiety is also a source of information telling us something.
> That is, it can inform us a situation is dangerous, or in a more long term
> place like work, or lack of work, arenaline is still being relaeased aswell
> as other stress hormones, telling us we are unhappy, or that we are in
> danger. Adrenaline gives us the fight or flight response...move on, but if
> we don't know where to go or we sit in its flood of anxiety we get all
> welled up and stressed out. So recognising it is a very imortant way of
> reducing this flooding effect that can overwhelm or drain us.
>
> Quite seperate to this are the type of anxieties which have become lodged in
> us as a result of a singular trauma, but generally these will only be cued
> by the awareness of something similar. This can be something as obvious as a
> snake, or less obvious as an authority figure, which again we get
> conditioned to as part of our socialisation process.
>
> So I think, it's important to remeber that environmentally and internally we
> are wired to all sorts of cues, both attractors and repelants. Tracking our
> awareness and response to these as we go about our general lives can be a
> good way of maintaining constant vigilance over the quality and
> understanding of our lives, and go to some degree through awakening to
> awareness toward the continual depletion of the control these cues,
> conditioning experinces or imprints have over us.
>
> Our boundaries as human beings are porous, and as I'm sure we all have
> experinced here, something as slight or seemingly slight can cause us to
> react. Or to put that another way, someones words when I am not in a neutral
> space have the power to touch me in a vulnerable place and cause me to
> react, by shooting up a defense. Of course to protect myself.
>
> That brings me to mention the importance of these defenses, without them we
> would not have survived and in surviving we have also acquired collateral
> damage.
>
> Like Geigers bio-mechanics, we are a combination of organic soft matter and
> rigid industrial strength, constantly moving, repairing, and growing. Aswell
> as being threatened, or seemingly threatened?!
>
> I think what this perspective gives us is the ability to mutate and change
> with demands as wee as drives.
>
>
> Ed.
>
>
> >From: "Luke Christoffersen" <luke.christoffersen at gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Lunatic Geezer needs help
> >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:50:19 +0100
> >
> >Hi Warren,
> >              It's possible that ibogaine could deal with the source
> >of your anxiety, it could make you more anxious as the feelings under
> >it surface.
> >             That's a bummer being kicked out of your creative
> >environment, it seems mostly Asians doing traditional animation these
> >days.  I was lucky, I got kicked out of a completely uncreative
> >environment that was torture for me.
> >
> >Luke
> >
> >On 7/30/06, Warren Lee Theriot <wleetheriot at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>Ok, here's a question: Will Ibogaine take away the anxiety is very
> >>much a part of withdrawal symptoms? The anxiety lasts long after the
> >>detox is over. I found SSRI's only provoke anxiety without a solid
> >>social infrastructure built around myself. Trycyclic Elavil is the
> >>antidepressant of choice for now. After finding my best friend dead
> >>of an OD, I took prozac for a long time. I seemed almost as if I was
> >>holding on to "Dumbo's Feather" [reference to Disney at the time]
> >>After working 6 years at Disney, being in an environment that was
> >>really creatively inspiring, and then getting kicked out because of
> >>the usual budget cuts, I was depressed more than ever and I became
> >>constantly anxious. ["Dumbo's Circus" was no longer to be, so what
> >>good was the feather?]  The my brother and another best friend took
> >>their own lives.
> >>Then the neighbors got that devil hound and it was 3 years of hell
> >>before my built-up anger resulted in 2 years of 24 hour trace music
> >>bass/drum beating into the ground to get the neighbors to move away.
> >>Yelling and legal maneuvers had no immediate effects. The only
> >>psychedelic that was ever truly happiness was magic mushrooms for me.
> >>I still can remember the absurdity of the world that was shown to me
> >>during those fleeting moments years ago. Too bad I just can't turn my
> >>feelings around at will that easy right now that way and laugh at
> >>what the  Powers that be are doing at the moment. Maybe Ibogaine
> >>would help the addicts in Iran instead of feeding them lead and
> >>uranium from the skys as is now in the works. Maybe the world's
> >>leaders should take a 2-week-long Ibogaine retreat and develop some
> >>new coping skills.
> >>Warren
> >>
> >>
> >>On Jul 29, 2006, at 5:06 PM, kevin youngquist wrote:
> >>
> >> > Nick and Luke:
> >> >
> >> > I did my share of acid when I was younger, and was amazed by the
> >> > insights.  However, that knowledge was fleeting, and over the years
> >> > have realized that real change never comes without hard work.
> >> > Unfortunately, as thing sit now, my job doesn't allow me the time
> >> > or financial wherewithal to go into intensive psychotherapy (and
> >> > let's face it, good shrinks are few and far between).  So, I need
> >> > to make do as best I can.  Ibogaine may or may not be what's needed
> >> > - nothing ventured, nothing gained - I'm just hoping to live the
> >> > rest of my life as a better function person.   Enlightenment aside:
> >> > I don't mind chopping wood and carrying water, as long as I'm not
> >> > miserable for no particular reason while doing it.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks, Kevin
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> From: "Nick Sandberg" <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
> >> >> Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >> >> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> >> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Lunatic Geezer needs help
> >> >> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:14:30 +0100
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, it's true ibogaine changed my outlook on life some from the
> >> >> first
> >> >> experience. Though maybe Kev's done plenty of psychoactives
> >> >> anyway. I don't
> >> >> know. I actually meant more the feeling of blissful warmth that
> >> >> kind of
> >> >> lingers for a week or so post-ibogaine, but then wears off.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nick
> >> >>
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: Luke Christoffersen [mailto:luke.christoffersen at gmail.com]
> >> >> > Sent: 29 July 2006 17:23
> >> >> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Lunatic Geezer needs help
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > HI Nick
> >> >> > > There are some changes that happen also in brain chemistry,
> >> >> but they
> >> >> > > don't last long.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'd have to disagree with you there.  I think the changes in brain
> >> >> > chemistry for better or worse are permanent.  how much maybe
> >> >> depends
> >> >> > on your own awereness of youself and how much it opens you up.  I
> >> >> > would think any psychedelic would have permanet changes in brain
> >> >> > chemistry on some level.  Even after an LSD trip you're never
> >> >> really
> >> >> > the same as you were before
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So, the way I see it, it will really come back to you and
> >> >> > > where you actually want to go. Do you want more stability or
> >> >> > are you more
> >> >> > > happy swinging between extremes?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It probably takes some time to get to the cause of mood swings but
> >> >> > yeah  wanting to change is probably the best place to start.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > #luke
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > > > From: kevin youngquist [mailto:jungkvist at hotmail.com]
> >> >> > > > Sent: 29 July 2006 16:08
> >> >> > > > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >> >> > > > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Lunatic Geezer needs help
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Nick:  I've done years in NA/AA, a brief stay in the psych-
> >> >> ward, and a
> >> >> > > > good-number of fairly pedestrian sessions with social
> >> >> workers and a
> >> >> > > > psychiatrist.  It seems that (at least at the level I can
> >> >> > afford) therapy
> >> >> > > > consists mostly of giving out SSRIs and preventing suicides,
> >> >> but not
> >> >> > > > effecting much real change - at least that's the way things
> >> >> seem
> >> >> > > > here in the
> >> >> > > > States.  Don't get me wrong, SSRIs are lots better than
> >> >> baying at
> >> >> > > > the moon -
> >> >> > > > but, call me selfish, I'd like more.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Thanks for writing back - any help will be greatly appreciated.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Kevin
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > >From: "Nick Sandberg" <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
> >> >> > > > >Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >> >> > > > >To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> >> > > > >Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Lunatic Geezer needs help
> >> >> > > > >Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:17:37 +0100
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >Hey Geezer,
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >What therapy stuff did you do so far?
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >Nick
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > > > > > From: kevin youngquist [mailto:jungkvist at hotmail.com]
> >> >> > > > > > Sent: 25 July 2006 04:26
> >> >> > > > > > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >> >> > > > > > Subject: [Ibogaine] Lunatic Geezer needs help
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > Dear One and All,
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > I'm throwing up a jump-ball here; so anyone who wants to,
> >> >> > > > have at it.  I
> >> >> > > > > > quit drinking and doing drugs 16 years ago, but I'm
> >> >> still a mess.
> >> >> > > > > > Apparently I didn't need substances to be off my
> >> >> rocker.  At
> >> >> > > > fifty two,
> >> >> > > > >I
> >> >> > > > > > still find myself going around in mental circles: can't
> >> >> make
> >> >> > > > > > decisions, hung
> >> >> > > > > > up on moral imperatives, beset with doubts, lots of time
> >> >> spent in
> >> >> > > > > > existential crises
> >> > I'm essentially Wily Coyote, without the
> >> >> quick
> >> >> > > > > > recovery
> >> >> > > > > > time.  There are reasons for all this: a gene pool that
> >> >> would
> >> >> > > > > > make Charles
> >> >> > > > > > Manson kill hes genealogist, and a childhood that reads
> >> >> like a
> >> >> > > > > > Frank McCourt
> >> >> > > > > > novel (Angela's Ashes)
> >> > Did I mention that I tend to bitch and
> >> >> > > > > > feel sorry for
> >> >> > > > > > myself?  I
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > I'm now traveling the lower 48, driving and living in a
> >> >> truck
> >> >> > > > > > (taking over
> >> >> > > > > > the world didn't quite work out) consequently my job
> >> >> doesn't
> >> >> > > > > > allow time for
> >> >> > > > > > conventional therapy (besides, I've dated psychologists:
> >> >> > > > loonies, every
> >> >> > > > > > one),  So, I want to know if ibogaine can do anything for a
> >> >> > > > >dysfunctional
> >> >> > > > > > and fragmented personality
> >> > How about it?
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > Thanks: Charlie Marlow
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > >
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