[Ibogaine] masks and void
nick227 at tiscali.co.uk
Tue Sep 27 07:13:52 EDT 2005
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> From: ekki [mailto:ekkijdfg at gmx.de]
> Sent: 26 September 2005 23:40
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] masks and void
> Am 26.09.2005 um 21:06 schrieb Nick Sandberg:
> > Fair enough. I used to think junkies looked cool when I was in my
> > twenties.
> > They seemed kind of implacable in the face of all the lunacy of the
> > world,
> > all the sexuality, and all the control. Kind of like they were beating
> > the
> > system, invulnerable. Later I found out that heroin was a analgesic, a
> > drug
> > which stops you feeling, so actually all that was happening for them
> > was
> > that their emotional systems were being turned off. So, I wanted to ask
> > you - how do you know you weren't taking the drug for repression?
> > Sounds to
> > me like seeking coolness is seeking repression.
> > Nick
> Yo Nick!
> "repression" in the psychological sense means unconscious avoidance of
> facing certain issues.
Yes, this sounds about right. Though what constitutes "conscious" is a grey
area, I'd say. Classically, repression is mediated by the limbic area of the
brain which is really on the border of conscious/unconscious. In a state of
heightened awareness you may catch yourself "switching off", other times it
when you use drugs to avoid feelings and you
> know about it then it is a very conscious way of avoidance and thus not
Yes, if you are in physical or emotional pain and you use heroin to make it
stop then I would say that is certainly a consciously mediated act of
However, what you wrote was that you didn't use heroin for repression and
that you used it because you thought it was cool. I said this sounds like
repression to me, and nothing you've put down here seems to change that.
if it is repression on the other hand it is by definition
> something you do not know. some therapists like to trap their patients
> in a classic catch-22: either you confirm you have repressed material
> or you deny and that is even more the prove for repression =)
Well, yes, it's their job to try and get you to look at yourself. However,
therapy isn't mandatory in society. If you feel totally happy in life then I
doubt you'd go see a therapist. If you call in a plumber, it because you
want to know what's going on with your pipes. If you call in a therapist,
it's because you want to know what's going on in your unconscious.
My experience is that everyone has repressed material. It's in the nature of
being human. I never met anyone who I thought didn't. Mostly I think it's
quite exciting to find out what's going on inside really. Why not surrender
to the therapists and see what happens? Just for the experience. After all,
if you have no repressed material, what is there to fear?
> the day when i was deciding to use every day i was already on drugs and
> an occasional consumer of H for years. i felt i needed a change and
> heroin worked very well. glad i did it and glad i came across ibogaine.
> here is a nice story from india, maybe you already know it. the buddha
> liked to tell it when people came up with "why?":
> There was a man who had been hit by a poisoned arrow and was
> suffering. Although his kinsmen and friends urged him to promptly
> see a physician, the one who really counted, the man himself, asked:
> "Was the person who shot me with the poisoned arrow a Brahman, a
> commoner or a manservant? And what was his name? Was the
> person tall or short? What was the hue of his skin? Where does he
> live? I cannot have the arrow extracted until I know these things."
> The man furthered questioned and argued: "As for the bow used for
> this poisoned arrow, what kind was it? What material was the
> bowstring made from? And what about the shaft of the arrow, what
> kind of feathers were used? What about the type of poison?"
> While he went on in this way, it is said that the poison coursed
> throughout his whole body and the man unfortunately died.
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