[Ibogaine] risk, therapy

Frank Gillice fpg at ureach.com
Wed Sep 14 10:39:05 EDT 2005


I need to find a source for Iboba.  I was wondering if yu would
point me in the right direction? 



---- On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, shelley krupa
(skrupa20022002 at yahoo.com) wrote:

> Hi All ,every time i did iboba I was very aware of my breathe
& how I breath habitually ,I learned
> how my anxst created this constriction &how my approach to
life effects my breathe & there fore my
> state of being. I have heard you learn how to breath from your
mother,that a person imitates what
> they see/sense as infants from her, I would take these huge
breaths in on ibogaine & release them
> with such a shudder, I breathed in the deepest ever,but much
more slowly,it was cool!-shell
> 
> ekki <ekkijdfg at gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 12.09.2005 um 21:39 schrieb Nick Sandberg:
> 
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: slowone at hush.ai [mailto:slowone at hush.ai]
> >> Sent: 11 September 2005 20:50
> >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] risk, therapy
> >>
> >>
> >> Good description, Matt. On the issue of finding oneself not
> >> breathing,
> >> I've wondered if it could be a defense mechanism against
difficult
> >> feelings.
> >>
> >
> > Could be birth trauma. They're pretty common and usually
breathing
> > associated. In rebirthing it's the main thing they try and
process. 
> > Just a
> > thought.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:49:10 -0700 Matthew Shriver
> >> wrote:
> >>> But to speak more directly to the safety issue from my own
> >>> experience, I have to admit that 3 of the 5 times I have
taken it,
> >>
> >>> I had fears and anxiety about dying from it. The first two
times
> >>> I took it I did not have any fear or anxiety about death.
The
> >>> third time I had this weird sense that I was not breathing
as
> >>> often as I should, like I was taking only one or two
> >>> breaths a minute. Not on purpose but simply because my
body
> >>> wasn't getting the message that it was necessary. I
remember
> >>> feeling like I could feel my brain winding down as the
oxygen
> >>> was depleted only to feel it hum back to life again after
taking
> >>> a breath. ...
> 
> sounds just like a clear view of how it is with breathing
> inhaling is coming to life, exhaling is letting go of life.
> 
> to see that on ibogaine doesn´t have to be defense or trauma.
> i mean maybe could be but i rather would consider it as
something very 
> positive.
> 
> to focus on breathing while doing iboga is very recommendable
> already small amounts of ibo can enable you to stay in the
moment with 
> your breath
> 
> of course one can make similar experiences with meditation or
yoga 
> without any drugs
> expansion and contraction, yin yang etc., the whole dualistic
universe 
> already there in inhaling and exhaling
> like a swinging door
> 
> -ekki
> 
> 
> 
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