[Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson last night
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Sun Oct 30 14:25:18 EST 2005
PRESTON:AT YOUR CONVENIENCE, PLEASE SEND THIS WANNA BE CHARMER A LIST OF
YOUR PUBLICATIONS IN PRINT SO I can score and claim credit at next
cocktail party for writing them under a pseudonym. Yeah and monkees will fly
out my ass before that will happen but it's a looooooongshot. Thanks, wanna
read 'em anyway. Can handle going over the saddle horn but have learned to
smile while it's going down. .. All off list so everyone can't confirm what
they already know about me i.e. how shallow I am.. This is the Bible Belt
so it may fly. muchas gracias mi hermano. ron, with thanks. if not up to it
, no apology neccesary. you are good for the whole and i appreciate it as i
am certain othersdo as well. ron.
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From: "Preston Peet" <ptpeet at nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:15 PM
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Carlson last night
> Jack Cole, one of the founders of LEAP, submitted an article to my first
> book, Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, explaining
> why he and so many other law enforcement officers are against the entire
> idea of a war on some drugs and users. He came to the book release party,
> which was interesting, having this former sheriff hanging out where I was
> most definitely doing a lot of pot smoking and shroom eating.
> Peace and love,
> "Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness"
> Richard Davenport-Hines
> ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs"
> Editor "Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History" (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eye of the Bhogi
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:23 PM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson
> last night
> Heard this story hyped a bit on the run-ups to The Situation Room on
> msnbc, but it got buried by the emerging Cheney scandal and the passing of
> Civil Rights activisit, Rosa Parks. Don't know anything about LEAP, but I
> like that he confesses at the end (Preston!) that "the drug war has
> CARLSON: Welcome back.
> While violent crime may be at historic lows in America, the number of
> arrests for drug abuse violations has more than quadrupled since 1970.
> Last year, more than a million and a half drug-related arrests were made.
> My next guest has a solution: Make drugs legal. And not just pot and
> cocaine; he wants to legalize meth and heroin, as well.
> Norm Stamper is the former police chief in Seattle. He's written a book
> about his 34 years on the force, called "Breaking Rank: Top Cop's Expose
> of the Dark Side of American Policing."
> He joins us now live from New York.
> Mr. Stamper, thanks a lot for coming on.
> NORM STAMPER, AUTHOR, "BREAKING RANK": Thank you. Thank you very much.
> CARLSON: Now, here's the part I don't get. I am completely for and have
> been for a long time decriminalizing most drugs, because then you still
> have legal leverage over people who go over the line, who can't control
> themselves right, who abuse drugs, and that isn't good for society, as you
> What's the argument for legalizing drugs?
> STAMPER: Well, when you consider that this is a war, declared back during
> the Nixon administration, that has been prosecuted by seven successive
> presidents, and those statistics of the type that you just cited continue
> to roll in predictably year after year after year, I think we need to
> conclude that the war on drugs has not been successful.
> CARLSON: No, it's not working. But why legalization? Why is that the
> STAMPER: That's, I think, the important question. Legalization would
> have the effect of regulating drug trafficking. It would take drug
> trafficking out of the hands of the black market.
> It would impose standards. It would—the reason kids, for example, are
> able to score drugs so easily is because dealers don't card them.
> CARLSON: Right.
> STAMPER: If we were to regulate all drugs, take it off the black market,
> we would then see government licensees who don't want to lose their
> licenses, insisting that people be 21 years of age to purchase drugs.
> CARLSON: Well, wait a second. I mean, you were a cop for more than 30
> years. You know, kids have no problem getting alcohol or getting
> STAMPER: They have a...
> CARLSON: Isn't that the problem? I mean, there would be more drugs if
> they were legal. That's pretty common sense. I've heard libertarians
> argue the opposite, but that's garbage, and you know it. There would be
> more drugs.
> STAMPER: No, I'm going to side with the libertarians on that.
> CARLSON: How does that work? Once they're legal, and anyone can get
> them, there will be fewer drugs?
> STAMPER: Twenty years old and up...
> CARLSON: Right.
> STAMPER: ... those individuals can get drugs under the plan that I would
> propose. The problem today is that kids know that they can score tobacco,
> they can score a six pack of beer much more—it's much more difficult to
> purchase tobacco and alcohol than it is to purchase half a lit of
> CARLSON: Yes, maybe. Yes, maybe pot. But, I mean, still, the arrival
> kid, certainly the average middle class kid, literally the average kid in
> America, is not exposed to heroin. He's just not. It's just not
> I mean, there are pockets of heroin used in the Pacific Northwest and
> other parts of the country, but the average person doesn't come across
> heroin very often. He comes across beer, because it's in every
> convenience store.
> So you would all of a sudden have heroin in every neighborhood. How could
> that be good?
> STAMPER: I'm not sure that we would have heroin in every neighborhood.
> What I do know is that taking the drugs off the black market would give
> government an opportunity to control them and to exercise responsibility
> over those licensees so that, if there are any fractions, they can be
> dealt with effectively and aggressively.
> CARLSON: But then you have a scenario—I mean, I think you're partly
> right. But then you also have a scenario with a moral cost. You have
> government profiting from the addictions of its citizens. And that's an
> ugly place to be, isn't it?
> STAMPER: Well, an even uglier place to be, it seems to me, is to have
> drug traffickers monopolizing all the funds that are associated with this
> illicit commodity. The commodity's not going to go away. It never has.
> It never will.
> So if we want to begin to make sense of the drug scene and government's
> response to drugs, it seems to me logical that we would impose these
> standards and enforce them rigorously.
> CARLSON: You've gotten—the most controversial line, I thought, in the
> op-ed that you wrote summarizing your position on this, you used the
> phrase "responsible drug use." Few people have the brass, frankly, to
> come out and say that. I completely agree with you.
> There can be responsible drug use. Not everyone becomes a dope fiend
> after using dope. But there are some drugs like heroin where there aren't
> really recreational users of heroin, or not so many. I mean, it's
> physically addictive after a while.
> So what's the justification for that, heroin?
> STAMPER: Well, so is alcohol to an alcoholic.
> CARLSON: Not to that extent.
> STAMPER: Alcohol, certainly, causes more problems than all other drugs
> CARLSON: Right. But a person who has—who drinks beer on 10 successive
> nights is not likely to become an alcoholic. The person who shoots heroin
> 10 successive days will be addicted to heroin.
> STAMPER: Well, I don't think somebody who drinks a lot of beer 10
> successive nights has probably got drinking problem.
> I belong to an organization called LEAP, Law Enforcement Against
> Prohibition. And a growing number of police officers have come to the
> realization that they're just shoving against the tide, that this drug war
> has failed.
> If we want to make our communities healthier, if we want to make them
> safer, and, indeed, if we want to make sure that our children are shielded
> from drugs, it's far better to have those drugs peddled, if you will, by
> government licensed agents as opposed to traffickers on the streets.
> CARLSON: All right, Norm Stamper, former chief of police of the city of
> Seattle. Thanks for joining us tonight.
> STAMPER: Thank you.
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