[Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams...

sara119 at xs4all.nl sara119 at xs4all.nl
Thu Oct 27 07:01:29 EDT 2005


>
Thanks RON,

Mushrooms picking time around here Koko,

sara


 I love you Sara.  Koko loves you
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sara119 at xs4all.nl>
> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams...
>
>
>> >Dear Ron,
>>
>> ....one day... spank... spank...spank!!!
>>
>> what list? what expertise? who care?
>> I rather become a monkey and join Koko in this wilderniss.
>>
>> Sara
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sara:
>>> a list for the list is what we need from you.  I would donate for your
>>> expertise in this field.  ron
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <sara119 at xs4all.nl>
>>> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams...
>>>
>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> P. Harmala can also be smoked. which a nice high, like a mild cocaine
>>>> high.
>>>>
>>>> Sara
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mushrooms can also be smoked, with a very limited effect, and it
>>>>> works with old old old ones that don't work for eating. It's
>>>>> limited in that smoking more doesn't make much difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also mushrooms contain DMT, and some P. harmala or ayahuasca (vine
>>>>> only) allows it to be absorbed, making for a more powerful
>>>>> experience. (Haven't tried that yet.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:45:40 -0700 sara119 at xs4all.nl wrote:
>>>>>>>Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a
>>>>>>mix of
>>>>>>all kinds in one tea.
>>>>>>I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a
>>>>>>individual
>>>>>>treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all
>>>>>>after the
>>>>>>iboga.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sara
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Sara,
>>>>>>>                   I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There
>>>>>
>>>>>>were
>>>>>>> just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches
>>>>>>long and
>>>>>>> hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
>>>>>>> friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was
>>>>>>tripping
>>>>>>> a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>> felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk
>>>>>>which
>>>>>>> was quite pleasant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>> mushrooms from different places?  From what I've read they all
>>>>>>contain
>>>>>>> the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
>>>>>>> truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves,
>>>>>>where
>>>>>>> it would be intense then mild back to intense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Luke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/24/05, sara119 at xs4all.nl <sara119 at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >Hi  Luke,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you'll make tea of
>>>>>
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>  in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sara
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Hi Sara,
>>>>>>>> >            Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of
>>>>>>mushrooms
>>>>>>>> > would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
>>>>>>>> > truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Thanks
>>>>>>>> > Luke
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On 10/23/05, sara119 at xs4all.nl <sara119 at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> Thanks  Vector,  ;)
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily :)
>>>>>>>> >> you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least
>>>>>>two
>>>>>>>> dosages
>>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>>>> >> Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you
>>>>>>will need
>>>>>>>> >> atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a
>>>>>
>>>>>>massage
>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>> >> week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
>>>>>>>> >> and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
>>>>>>>> cannabis,mushroom
>>>>>>>> >> tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being
>>>>>
>>>>>>a hippy
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> >> not being one both is good.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> this is a treatment for people who don't feel the need for a
>>>>>>>> therapist
>>>>>>>> >> or
>>>>>>>> >> to be brainwashed
>>>>>>>> >> by me and my idea's of this "world". where I live is not
>>>>>>where you
>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>> >> and so
>>>>>>>> >> my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> good luck on your search for detox.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Sara
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>  I've never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great.
>>>>>>Even
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> >> > if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and
>>>>>>healing
>>>>>>>> >> > crystals.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help
>>>>>>you with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> >> > crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling
>>>>>
>>>>>>entities
>>>>>>>> >> > instead ;)
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > .:vector:.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > --- Jay Willis <jaywillten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> Please understand I'm looking for personal experience and
>>>>>
>>>>>>help, if
>>>>>>>> >> >> you've never been a junkie or have something to sell me,
>>>>>>I don't
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> >> >> to hear it.
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I
>>>>>>feel
>>>>>>>> >> >> afterwards?
>>>>>>>> >> >> I'm in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the
>>>>>>angels
>>>>>>>> sing
>>>>>>>> >> >> and I definitely don't need to hear some nebish spout off
>>>>>>>> half-baked
>>>>>>>> >> >> san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick
>>>>>>after
>>>>>>>> >> >> ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step
>>>>>>meetings any
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> >> >> reasonable after ibogaine?
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> Thanks
>>>>>>>> >> >> Jay
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >> > I'd just like to add something more. I did'nt mean the
>>>>>>Lotsoff
>>>>>>>> >> >> method
>>>>>>>> >> >> > promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over
>>>>>>it does
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> >> >> > include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus
>>>>>
>>>>>>certain
>>>>>>>> >> >> very
>>>>>>>> >> >> > pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
>>>>>>>> psychological
>>>>>>>> >> >> > work can be missed.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> > Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does.
>>>>>
>>>>>>What I
>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>> >> >> > saying is...it can do a lot more, but it requires other
>>>>>
>>>>>>skills
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> >> >> > insights and abilities to instigate / set that up.
>>>>>>Namely it is
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> >> >> > detox protocol.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > __________________________________
>>>>>>>> >> > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005
>>>>>>>> >> > http://mail.yahoo.com
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
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