Capt Kirk captkirk at free.net.nz
Thu Jun 23 08:55:24 EDT 2005

I have been meaning to ask.........after that last booster.... is it serving
it's purpose of reducing your tolerance Preston?  I still think the value in
that is so huge for those who are long term pain peoples.  Lead the way.

-----Original Message-----
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet at nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 12:36 a.m.
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]

>Taking Ibogaine a few times does not give you the ability to see into the 
>future as much as some might like to think so. You never know how this drug

>is going to effect you.<

But so too this is the case for any drug we take Mark, no? Even dope heads 
can buy themselves a bag that isn't what they bargained for. (Pot's about 
the only one that I'm pretty sure I know what's definitely NOT going to 
happen if I take it- dying I mean.) If the providers want to put themselves 
repeatedly into a position of risking federal offenses above and beyond 
simply procurment of the substance, I suppose that's up to them- but if 
there are those who simply want to procure I would think some providers 
might be inclined to simply provide- thereby cutting down on their own 
risks, sorta harm-reduction-like. But there're a number of issues involved 
in this that cause some to hesitate in simply providing and getting outta 
the picture.
    I don't really have a problem with what I've paid, considering my 
choices and options. But of course, I would prefer now to not have to pay 
for the whole kit and kaboodle if I ever did want to procure ibogaine, and 
just get the substance without the extra "hey, I'm gonna hang out and be 
sure you are ok" routine- which is appreciated but not necessary now, in my 
case I think at least. I'm not saying I'm buying ibogaine in case the feds 
are reading this, but I am interested in doing so were it possible to do so.

At the prices or at least near the prices that the companies that make the 
HCL are charging, without all the prohibition tarifs added on, or at least 
as much prohibition tarifs cut out of the picture as possible.

And on what was written about Randy- he has gotten what he needed to get out

of ibogaine expressly because of what you noted- he did the work. I am in a 
slightly different situation and am after much different results than Randy,

so while I did and will probably again berate myself for not taking those 
yoga classes I insist I want to take (I am still doing stretches that I can 
on the mat I went out and bought for the purpose of following the tai chi 
dvd V bought me), and other various things I've said I want to do but still 
haven't managed to successfully pull off (freakin' smoking tobacco) I still 
feel I'm "doing the work" I need to do, for the most part, but still 
struggle with moods, emotions, feelings of confusion and a whole bunch of 
other things I think are normal for people to experience and deal with, each

of us in our own ways, especially those of us who are saddled with this 
"addiction" routine only made more complicated by prohibition. If one of 
those ways happens to be obtaining ibogaine on occassion to help keep an 
opiate use pattern in control, or even were it simply to broaden my mind and

explore regions of the cosmos the ibogaine plant enables us to explore (or 
me at least) than what's wrong with that reason too?

Why would I have to have someone other than someone of my choice sitting 
with or near me to be sure things are ok? Why would the "dealer" (to put it 
into blunt, non-technical, street terms) have to be the one to do so? Don't 
get me wrong, I'm not slurring the people who helped me out- that's not my 
point at all. My point is that I've realized I'm not after exactly what most

are by taking ibogaine, and that means that the issues the providers are 
trying to address aren't necessarily the same ones I am, for the most part. 
I think that's part of my point anyway.

As as I've always written, from my first posts here probably, when getting 
off methadone without ibogaine but still posting and reading the list, I 
feel ibogaine is, or can be, a tool to help in getting past the worst of 
withdrawals, and in personal change or in personal growth (not that I said 
that much in the beginning but I was on this track from the get-go), not a 
magic bullet that cures addiction.

Peace and love,

"Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often 
mistaken for madness"
Richard Davenport-Hines

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: VanAllen, Keith G.
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]

Wow, you sure told me. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: mcorcoran [mailto:mcorcoran27 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:55 AM
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]

the correct spelling of the mag on the article about the underground is 

mcorcoran <mcorcoran27 at yahoo.com> wrote:
1500 bucks is the cheapest in the world. Also it is an extremely expensive 
medication. There are only 3 sources in the world to get it and if were 
talking about the HCL I think you'd be surprised how much it actually does 
cost the providers.
Okay I'm actually sitting next to a provider who has asked me to comment on 
what was just discussed.
- "First of all, most providers are dead broke and are not making any real 
money on this. We are risking our freedom to give some people the ability to

experience this. Most work on a sliding scale. I agree that people should be

able to get Ibogaine if they want it I also believe that you should be able 
to shoot battery acid in your dick if thats what you want as well. Every 
provider from St. Kitts to the underground agrees that having a family 
member in the room is not the best and having them as the only people in the

room is just a plain bad idea. Where does the money go? It goes to the cost 
of the medication which is substantial. Staying awake for three days, 
cleaning up vomit shit and blood. Helping someone to the bathroom or holding

a bottle so they can piss. Calming them down if there having a hard time. 
Knowing how much and when to give more ibogaine. Making sure they stay 
hydrated hours spent talking on the phone before and after the treatment. 
Not to mention, knowning WHEN to call the ambulance. But most importantly 
EXPERIENCE. Taking Ibogaine a few times does not give you the ability to see

into the future as much as some might like to think so. You never know how 
this drug is going to effect you.
I personally don't think that St. Kitts or Mexico or Sara or we charge too 
much. I was raised to believe that people should be paid for there work and 
believe me this is work. Yeah your right you can buy a lot of things for 
1,500 buck... 15 bundles."

So there you go. -M.

"VanAllen, Keith G." <VanAllK at sutterhealth.org> wrote:
Thanks Vector, I kinda figured this after reading a little on Erowid and 
from different online smart shops. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't 
missing something ;} Sometimes there are ways around these Regs and bylaws.

On a different note, can we discuss price? Ibogaine as a raw material does 
not cost a substantial amount, even in the stores that do sell and ship. You

could conceivably grow it in your yard without anyone taking notice to it, 
very few people are even aware of it's use as a drug of any kind..I have 
plenty of dope fien'nin acquaintances that just look at me puzzled like when

I mention it. I don't know about anywhere else but in my locale all the 
authorities are busy enough with hard core narcotics and crime, the average 
cops would probably say "Ibogaine? What's that?" Why is this so expensive! 
Earlier someone said that $1500 was a decent price, hell, for that I could 
buy a whole lot of ANY thing else...it doesn't seem comprable.

Anyone have thoughts on this?


-----Original Message-----
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:24 AM
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine]

Reputable and shipping ibogaine into the united states don't work in
the same sentence ;) No store that wants to stay in business is going
to ship a package that becomes a schedule 1 drug when it lands. I doubt
this is for any ethical reasons, because what's ethical about the "war
on drugs" or interest in american drug policy, it's the much simpler if
something goes wrong and the package is stopped, they could have a lot
of problems. Nobody is going to risk their business over making one
sale to someone in the usa.

At the same time there doesn't look like there is any lack of peeps who
have no problems getting ibogaine in the usa ;)


--- "VanAllen, Keith G." wrote:

> Does anyone know of a reputable entho shop that will ship ibo to the
> states or do I have to scuff around for it, since I am trying not to
> go around the usual haunts this might pose a problem for me.
> -Keith

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