[Ibogaine]-Provider question: Free will vs. Addiction

Preston Peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Sun Jan 30 14:59:02 EST 2005


>Hi Preston !
 I am going a bit out of the subject now, but do you believe for one moment
that our beautiful democraties are looking seriously in getting rid of 
drugz?<

LOL,
    Nope, not at all Francis.
    I often write that the entire War on Some Drugs and Users is not a 
failure whatsoever, not to those in the business of waging said war on some 
drugs and users. For those in the business of forcing others to bend to 
their will, this war on some drugs and users is a raging success. It's 
enabled the powermongers and greedheads and self-righteous maniacs to gain 
power and prestige above and beyond any semblence of sanity. It's enabled 
them to make boo-coo money and pit some segments of society against others, 
and enabled some to become ultra-descriminatory against other people and 
never even feel like there's anything wrong with their prejudice and 
descrimination.




Peace and love,
Preston Peet

"Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often 
mistaken for madness"
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs"
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Etc.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Garden" <GardenRestaurant at comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]-Provider question: Free will vs. Addiction


> Hi Preston !
> I am going a bit out of the subject now, but do you believe for one moment
> that our beautiful democraties are looking seriously in getting rid of 
> drugz
> ?
>
> Look at the numbers :
> The Sager-Socolar study claims pharmaceutical industry profits would
> increase by $139 billion, or 38 percent, between 2006 and 2013.
> Not bad :-)
>
> ADDICTED TO PROFIT : CAPITALISM AND DRUG
> http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/isj77/farrell.htm
>
>
> God bless
> Francis
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Preston Peet" <ptpeet at nyc.rr.com>
> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]-Provider question: Free will vs. Addiction
>
>
>> Randy wrote >Have you ever met Preston? I have,
>> and maybe I'm just too sensitive, but I swear I could see the pain in his
>> face
>> when he had to move around. Does he or anyone else with as many pain
> issues
>> as he has not have the right to try and make his life easier to deal
> with?<
>>
>>  Thanks very much for pointing this out Randy.
>> I was again finding myself thinking about this whole thread this morning,
>> and Nick's position. I'm very sick of reading Nick accusing me of making
>> excuses to be a junkie. For crying out loud, I think my wanting to be as
>> pain free as possible, considering I can barely freakin walk, or put my
>> right foot down on the ground, or sit at my desk and type, or feel the
> skin
>> in much of my right leg and foot and beyond that numbness there's just
>> excruciating pain, is very understandable, and something I don't have to
>> make excuses for- nor do I have to or want to justify it, most
> particularly
>> to someone like Nick.
>>     I thank the powers that be for something like ibogaine, which might
> very
>> well allow me to use opiates in much smaller amounts than might have been
>> necessary otherwise, that will allow me to keep my tolerance in check as 
>> I
>> continue to use opiates for my foreseeable future, maybe, if I can find a
>> steady supply over the next however many years I have left on the planet.
>>     I'd personally be more than shocked if someone told me they'd only
> sell
>> ibogaine to me if I was going to be using it only to get completely off
>> drugs, or with any stipulations whatsoever, and would be really upset 
>> with
>> someone is they refused to sell it to me or to anyone with this sort of
>> stipulation in mind.
>>     And I keep coming back to the whole thing about ibogaine itself being
>> highly illegal and controversial in and of itself. I wonder what the
>> prohibitionist minded folk would think about your attitutde Nick, that
>> ibogaine is an ok drug to use but only to get others off drugs (am I 
>> ready
>> your position correctly here?)- they'd laugh in your face. It's tough
> enough
>> getting prohibition-deluded folk to accept methadone clinics (not my
>> preference, but in today's horrific age and attitude a very necessary
> avenue
>> to those not wanting to continue their lives running the streets dodging
>> cops but are not ready to stop "using" some sort of opiate.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Peace and love,
>> Preston Peet
>>
>> "Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
>> mistaken for madness"
>> Richard Davenport-Hines
>>
>> ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
>> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
>> Editor "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs"
>> Editor "Mysterious Roots- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
> Civilizations,
>> Explorations and Enigmas" (due out Sept. 2005)
>> Cont. High Times mag/.com
>> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
>> Columnist New York Waste
>> Etc.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <BiscuitBoy714 at aol.com>
>> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]-Provider question: Free will vs. Addiction
>>
>>
>> > Dr. Tom, I read your post the other day and didn't have time to give it
>> > the
>> > thought that it deserves, I have time now. First off, I'm not a 
>> > provider
>> > but I
>> > know a few and I'd like to say something here. LOL I have to see that 4
>> > inch
>> > group offhand at 50 yards. I might be able to get 4 inch groups with a
>> > Ruger Mk
>> > II but with 2 hands and a rest. 'Nuff' jokin', this is serious. This
> issue
>> > needs to be addressed. When I had my treatment everyone, and I mean
>> > everyone
>> > wanted to know about my aftercare and plans for the future to the point
>> > that it
>> > irratated me. Turns out that they were right about therapy by the way.
>> > Nobody
>> > that I know of will treat anyone just to make it easier to get high.
> This
>> > has
>> > probably been hashed out allready, I haven't had time to read everthing
> on
>> > the
>> > list for days now, but I have to say this. Have you ever met Preston? I
>> > have,
>> > and maybe I'm just too sensitive, but I swear I could see the pain in
> his
>> > face
>> > when he had to move around. Does he or anyone else with as many pain
>> > issues
>> > as he has not have the right to try and make his life easier to deal
> with?
>> > That's not a decision I would make carte blanch (where the hell is the
>> > spell
>> > checker on this thing?) about anyone. Besides if I had my way Ibogaine
>> > would be
>> > legal and this would be a mute point. If I was a provider I would have
> to
>> > take
>> > all things into consideration on an individual basis. To me, Ibogaine 
>> > is
>> > about
>> > the choices it gives you and the best route out of addiction that I
>> > personaly
>> > know of. I've been addicted off and on since the 70's to oppiates. This
> is
>> > the
>> > first time I have felt good about being clean since I shot Morphine 
>> > when
> I
>> > was
>> > 15 years old. I didn't really see how it could work for me but I tried
>> > anyway. It worked. How do we know who it will work for and who it 
>> > won't?
>> > There is a
>> > screening process and I'd have to say that to the man everyone treated
>> > here of
>> > late in the NYC area truly wanted to get clean. I hope Preston doesn't
>> > mind
>> > me saying this but I would imagine if he could have been clean AND free
> of
>> > pain
>> > he probably would have loved it. That didn't happen for him and I wish
> it
>> > had. Ibogaine is medicine and should be treated that way. Oppiates are
>> > medicine
>> > too, just look at all those 'scripts that get written for them. Dr.'s
> give
>> > out
>> > an addictive substance all day long and the government won't let people
>> > who
>> > want out of addiction have the single most effective way of dealing 
>> > with
>> > that
>> > addiction legaly obtain Ibogaine. That almost seems evil to me. There
>> > should be
>> > Ibogaine information in every Dr.'s office and Methadone clinic in the
> US.
>> > I'm
>> > covering my end on that, how 'bout you? I've said it before and I'll 
>> > say
>> > it
>> > again, I won't shut up until every addict that I know of at least knows
>> > that
>> > there is another way out. I pay close attention to everything you say
> and
>> > I'm
>> > glad that you brought this up. When I get back to the Catskills I'm
> gonna'
>> > work
>> > on my one handed shot.hehehehe        Randy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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