[Ibogaine]-Provider question: Free will vs. Addiction

The Garden GardenRestaurant at comcast.net
Sun Jan 30 14:22:35 EST 2005


Hi Preston !
 I am going a bit out of the subject now, but do you believe for one moment
that our beautiful democraties are looking seriously in getting rid of drugz
?

Look at the numbers :
The Sager-Socolar study claims pharmaceutical industry profits would
increase by $139 billion, or 38 percent, between 2006 and 2013.
Not bad :-)

ADDICTED TO PROFIT : CAPITALISM AND DRUG
http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/isj77/farrell.htm


God bless
Francis


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Preston Peet" <ptpeet at nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]-Provider question: Free will vs. Addiction


> Randy wrote >Have you ever met Preston? I have,
> and maybe I'm just too sensitive, but I swear I could see the pain in his
> face
> when he had to move around. Does he or anyone else with as many pain
issues
> as he has not have the right to try and make his life easier to deal
with?<
>
>  Thanks very much for pointing this out Randy.
> I was again finding myself thinking about this whole thread this morning,
> and Nick's position. I'm very sick of reading Nick accusing me of making
> excuses to be a junkie. For crying out loud, I think my wanting to be as
> pain free as possible, considering I can barely freakin walk, or put my
> right foot down on the ground, or sit at my desk and type, or feel the
skin
> in much of my right leg and foot and beyond that numbness there's just
> excruciating pain, is very understandable, and something I don't have to
> make excuses for- nor do I have to or want to justify it, most
particularly
> to someone like Nick.
>     I thank the powers that be for something like ibogaine, which might
very
> well allow me to use opiates in much smaller amounts than might have been
> necessary otherwise, that will allow me to keep my tolerance in check as I
> continue to use opiates for my foreseeable future, maybe, if I can find a
> steady supply over the next however many years I have left on the planet.
>     I'd personally be more than shocked if someone told me they'd only
sell
> ibogaine to me if I was going to be using it only to get completely off
> drugs, or with any stipulations whatsoever, and would be really upset with
> someone is they refused to sell it to me or to anyone with this sort of
> stipulation in mind.
>     And I keep coming back to the whole thing about ibogaine itself being
> highly illegal and controversial in and of itself. I wonder what the
> prohibitionist minded folk would think about your attitutde Nick, that
> ibogaine is an ok drug to use but only to get others off drugs (am I ready
> your position correctly here?)- they'd laugh in your face. It's tough
enough
> getting prohibition-deluded folk to accept methadone clinics (not my
> preference, but in today's horrific age and attitude a very necessary
avenue
> to those not wanting to continue their lives running the streets dodging
> cops but are not ready to stop "using" some sort of opiate.)
>
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> "Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness"
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
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> Etc.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <BiscuitBoy714 at aol.com>
> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]-Provider question: Free will vs. Addiction
>
>
> > Dr. Tom, I read your post the other day and didn't have time to give it
> > the
> > thought that it deserves, I have time now. First off, I'm not a provider
> > but I
> > know a few and I'd like to say something here. LOL I have to see that 4
> > inch
> > group offhand at 50 yards. I might be able to get 4 inch groups with a
> > Ruger Mk
> > II but with 2 hands and a rest. 'Nuff' jokin', this is serious. This
issue
> > needs to be addressed. When I had my treatment everyone, and I mean
> > everyone
> > wanted to know about my aftercare and plans for the future to the point
> > that it
> > irratated me. Turns out that they were right about therapy by the way.
> > Nobody
> > that I know of will treat anyone just to make it easier to get high.
This
> > has
> > probably been hashed out allready, I haven't had time to read everthing
on
> > the
> > list for days now, but I have to say this. Have you ever met Preston? I
> > have,
> > and maybe I'm just too sensitive, but I swear I could see the pain in
his
> > face
> > when he had to move around. Does he or anyone else with as many pain
> > issues
> > as he has not have the right to try and make his life easier to deal
with?
> > That's not a decision I would make carte blanch (where the hell is the
> > spell
> > checker on this thing?) about anyone. Besides if I had my way Ibogaine
> > would be
> > legal and this would be a mute point. If I was a provider I would have
to
> > take
> > all things into consideration on an individual basis. To me, Ibogaine is
> > about
> > the choices it gives you and the best route out of addiction that I
> > personaly
> > know of. I've been addicted off and on since the 70's to oppiates. This
is
> > the
> > first time I have felt good about being clean since I shot Morphine when
I
> > was
> > 15 years old. I didn't really see how it could work for me but I tried
> > anyway. It worked. How do we know who it will work for and who it won't?
> > There is a
> > screening process and I'd have to say that to the man everyone treated
> > here of
> > late in the NYC area truly wanted to get clean. I hope Preston doesn't
> > mind
> > me saying this but I would imagine if he could have been clean AND free
of
> > pain
> > he probably would have loved it. That didn't happen for him and I wish
it
> > had. Ibogaine is medicine and should be treated that way. Oppiates are
> > medicine
> > too, just look at all those 'scripts that get written for them. Dr.'s
give
> > out
> > an addictive substance all day long and the government won't let people
> > who
> > want out of addiction have the single most effective way of dealing with
> > that
> > addiction legaly obtain Ibogaine. That almost seems evil to me. There
> > should be
> > Ibogaine information in every Dr.'s office and Methadone clinic in the
US.
> > I'm
> > covering my end on that, how 'bout you? I've said it before and I'll say
> > it
> > again, I won't shut up until every addict that I know of at least knows
> > that
> > there is another way out. I pay close attention to everything you say
and
> > I'm
> > glad that you brought this up. When I get back to the Catskills I'm
gonna'
> > work
> > on my one handed shot.hehehehe        Randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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