[Ibogaine]-Provider question: Free will vs. Addiction

Preston Peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Sun Jan 30 13:30:11 EST 2005

Randy wrote >Have you ever met Preston? I have,
and maybe I'm just too sensitive, but I swear I could see the pain in his 
when he had to move around. Does he or anyone else with as many pain issues
as he has not have the right to try and make his life easier to deal with?<

 Thanks very much for pointing this out Randy.
I was again finding myself thinking about this whole thread this morning, 
and Nick's position. I'm very sick of reading Nick accusing me of making 
excuses to be a junkie. For crying out loud, I think my wanting to be as 
pain free as possible, considering I can barely freakin walk, or put my 
right foot down on the ground, or sit at my desk and type, or feel the skin 
in much of my right leg and foot and beyond that numbness there's just 
excruciating pain, is very understandable, and something I don't have to 
make excuses for- nor do I have to or want to justify it, most particularly 
to someone like Nick.
    I thank the powers that be for something like ibogaine, which might very 
well allow me to use opiates in much smaller amounts than might have been 
necessary otherwise, that will allow me to keep my tolerance in check as I 
continue to use opiates for my foreseeable future, maybe, if I can find a 
steady supply over the next however many years I have left on the planet.
    I'd personally be more than shocked if someone told me they'd only sell 
ibogaine to me if I was going to be using it only to get completely off 
drugs, or with any stipulations whatsoever, and would be really upset with 
someone is they refused to sell it to me or to anyone with this sort of 
stipulation in mind.
    And I keep coming back to the whole thing about ibogaine itself being 
highly illegal and controversial in and of itself. I wonder what the 
prohibitionist minded folk would think about your attitutde Nick, that 
ibogaine is an ok drug to use but only to get others off drugs (am I ready 
your position correctly here?)- they'd laugh in your face. It's tough enough 
getting prohibition-deluded folk to accept methadone clinics (not my 
preference, but in today's horrific age and attitude a very necessary avenue 
to those not wanting to continue their lives running the streets dodging 
cops but are not ready to stop "using" some sort of opiate.)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

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mistaken for madness"
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BiscuitBoy714 at aol.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]-Provider question: Free will vs. Addiction

> Dr. Tom, I read your post the other day and didn't have time to give it 
> the
> thought that it deserves, I have time now. First off, I'm not a provider 
> but I
> know a few and I'd like to say something here. LOL I have to see that 4 
> inch
> group offhand at 50 yards. I might be able to get 4 inch groups with a 
> Ruger Mk
> II but with 2 hands and a rest. 'Nuff' jokin', this is serious. This issue
> needs to be addressed. When I had my treatment everyone, and I mean 
> everyone
> wanted to know about my aftercare and plans for the future to the point 
> that it
> irratated me. Turns out that they were right about therapy by the way. 
> Nobody
> that I know of will treat anyone just to make it easier to get high. This 
> has
> probably been hashed out allready, I haven't had time to read everthing on 
> the
> list for days now, but I have to say this. Have you ever met Preston? I 
> have,
> and maybe I'm just too sensitive, but I swear I could see the pain in his 
> face
> when he had to move around. Does he or anyone else with as many pain 
> issues
> as he has not have the right to try and make his life easier to deal with?
> That's not a decision I would make carte blanch (where the hell is the 
> spell
> checker on this thing?) about anyone. Besides if I had my way Ibogaine 
> would be
> legal and this would be a mute point. If I was a provider I would have to 
> take
> all things into consideration on an individual basis. To me, Ibogaine is 
> about
> the choices it gives you and the best route out of addiction that I 
> personaly
> know of. I've been addicted off and on since the 70's to oppiates. This is 
> the
> first time I have felt good about being clean since I shot Morphine when I 
> was
> 15 years old. I didn't really see how it could work for me but I tried
> anyway. It worked. How do we know who it will work for and who it won't? 
> There is a
> screening process and I'd have to say that to the man everyone treated 
> here of
> late in the NYC area truly wanted to get clean. I hope Preston doesn't 
> mind
> me saying this but I would imagine if he could have been clean AND free of 
> pain
> he probably would have loved it. That didn't happen for him and I wish it
> had. Ibogaine is medicine and should be treated that way. Oppiates are 
> medicine
> too, just look at all those 'scripts that get written for them. Dr.'s give 
> out
> an addictive substance all day long and the government won't let people 
> who
> want out of addiction have the single most effective way of dealing with 
> that
> addiction legaly obtain Ibogaine. That almost seems evil to me. There 
> should be
> Ibogaine information in every Dr.'s office and Methadone clinic in the US. 
> I'm
> covering my end on that, how 'bout you? I've said it before and I'll say 
> it
> again, I won't shut up until every addict that I know of at least knows 
> that
> there is another way out. I pay close attention to everything you say and 
> I'm
> glad that you brought this up. When I get back to the Catskills I'm gonna' 
> work
> on my one handed shot.hehehehe        Randy
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