[Ibogaine] Listening

knowone knowwhere kn0m0n3 at yahoo.co.uk
Sat Jan 29 19:19:58 EST 2005



Hi All,

   Jasen, the physcal part was ruff for me too, but I
knew that going in and welcomed all the help I could
get.  What you write reminds me that I am still
wondering....  What is Normal?....ie is 'normal' going
to be the same 'normal' I felt on methadone when
'stabalized'.... I can only say for me it's different,
but as time goes by my body gets stronger even at this
stage which suprises me, but I welcome it for sure.
   What is kindof wierd is when my body really started
letting go was the week following getting new
contacts/glasses.  New Vision perhaps effected the way
I was looking at things and perhaps opened up some
opportunities, or maybe it was just coincidence.  
    
   The lower dose didn't keep me up like the normal
ones did.  I slept 14 hours afterwards, a good heavy
11 hour sleep.  The question for me is do I feel
tired/sleepy/fatigue...Tired: no.  Sleepy: no. 
Fatigue: sure, but the law of diminishing returns
seems to apply but I'm not sure up to what point yet.
   
   When my multi-year TAmazepam script expired, a
Kava/melatonin Mix is what I used, 3:1
I've been at 6 hours a day for a while now.  Before
any Ibo I was 9-14 hours a day.

   Cheers,-J



   
 --- Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy at optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Hey Julie,
> 
> I can say that now I get 6 to 8 hours sleep in one
> night.
> No matter what time I go to sleep,..my eyes open at
> day break,..which here is about 5:30.
> 
> I have been taking herbs for sleep from a
> naturopath,
> I am also still taking Kava and valerian,..(both
> herbs),
> as well as the liquid herbs.
> 
> I have a love/hate relationship with these herbs
> 
> The other night after drinking some wine with dinner
> (which I used to dislike),..I went to bed and woke
> up
> at 1:30am,..I could not go back to sleep,..I took
> some
> more Kava,..after a couple of hours got back to
> sleep.
> When I told a Naturapath I was told this is around
> the liver time,..(1:30am).
> 
> I am still waiting to feel normal???But then what is
> normal?
> I have to stop sitting around waiting to feel
> good,..I do
> feel good in my mind (the freedom) but my
> body,..well,..
> it's getting better,..very very slowly.
> 
> Aaaaarrrgh,..f*ck,..that seems to help sometimes.
> At times I feel like a big baby and other times I
> feel
> like I can restle a bear.(Well,..a very small tame
> bear.)
> 
> The more I excersise the better I feel,..however I
> am not
> doing much of that,..you guys know what that's
> like,..you
> need to move but don't have the energy, you know you
> have to push yourself,.. but don't.
> 
> This is easy and hard at the same time,..sometimes I
> want
> to go within and hide from the world and other times
> I
> am out there,..laughing,..socialising..loving.My
> life at the
> moment is like a heart monitor.
> 
>                                                 with
> love,..Jasen.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ms Iboga" <ms_iboga at yahoo.com>
> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:06 AM
> Subject: [Ibogaine] Jason, Randy, Jeff, FakeP,
> Julian and others treated in 
> the last 4-5 months
> 
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > My question is for those treated recently: how are
> > your sleeping patterns?  Is it just me, or do you
> > often wake up several times per night, for no
> apparent
> > reason?  Or have your patterns returned to normal?
> >
> > Melatonin seems to work pretty well, but only for
> the
> > first 4-5 hours and then BOOM!!: I wake up between
> > 3-6am, every single night, regardless of diet,
> drug
> > intake, the day's activities, etc....
> >
> > I don't want to complain, but it's really starting
> to
> > get to me.    I would really like to have 7 hours
> of
> > uninterrupted sleep, and I just can't seem to get
> that
> > now.  Don't want any benzos, but would like some
> > advice on how to improve quality of sleep...
> >
> > smiles,
> > Julie
> >
> >
> >
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