[Ibogaine] Francis and Nick

Nick Sandberg nick227 at tiscali.co.uk
Sat Jan 29 11:21:27 EST 2005

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Re-Elect Bush/Cheney 08 Or Else
> [mailto:reelectbushcheney2008 at yahoo.ca]
> Sent: 29 January 2005 15:45
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Francis and Nick
>  --- Nick Sandberg <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>  I do not agree that it is valid to
> > administer a high-powered
> > analgesic to oneself for a large portion of one's
> > time on this planet,
> > (unless this is a strategy agreed on by medical
> > professionals with regard to
> > the individual). My opinion is that this is a
> > life-negating orientation and
> > I oppose it. I believe that doing so emotionally
> > disenfranchises the
> > individual from society with overall deleterious
> > effects on our planetary
> > life. Even worse, it's a fucking drag. That's my
> > position!
> >
> > with love
> >
> > Nick
> That is your position, ok.  Glad I don't have to loose
> anymore sleep over wondering what you think.
>    Do you have the ability to be a non-therapist?
> What is it about the therapist/patient relationship
> that you enjoy so much?
>     Do you actually think "rehab" is in everyones best
> interest???
>                     That's funny Nick.
>         Just because your web site kicks serious ass
> doesn't mean you know whats best for people.
>   I don't know what's best for everyone, and I know
> that.  Do you?
>   If total absitinence is the only goal with Ibo, then
> I feel we are really wasting its potential.
>    That conference back in November that Patrick
> moderated was called Harm Reduction Conf.
> If my memory serves correct, this is a heroin
> maintence place too ;)

Hi Mr or Mrs no-name,

I don't recall saying that I know what is best for everyone. And I don't
recall saying that total abstinence is the only goal of ibo treatment. And I
don't recall saying Mussolini was God. Oh shit, you haven't quoted me as
saying that one yet. But just in case you do.

I know it makes for less exciting reading to have to stick to what has
actually been stated. I do sympathise. But, man how could you say that
everyone should be a heroin addict forever, regardless of their personal
feelings about it? That's really radical.

If you wanna stick to what's stated I'm happy to discuss more. Otherwise....

with love


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