[Ibogaine] Francis and Nick

Nick Sandberg nick227 at tiscali.co.uk
Sat Jan 29 10:07:52 EST 2005

Hi Howard,

Many thanks for the link. Personally, I do not agree with Dr Cohen's
viewpoint. I do not agree that it is valid to administer a high-powered
analgesic to oneself for a large portion of one's time on this planet,
(unless this is a strategy agreed on by medical professionals with regard to
the individual). My opinion is that this is a life-negating orientation and
I oppose it. I believe that doing so emotionally disenfranchises the
individual from society with overall deleterious effects on our planetary
life. Even worse, it's a fucking drag. That's my position!

with love


> -----Original Message-----
> From: HSLotsof at aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof at aol.com]
> Sent: 29 January 2005 13:38
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Francis and Nick
> In a message dated 1/29/05 6:04:03 AM, nick227 at tiscali.co.uk writes:
> >
> >Same thing in these dialogues. Granted it's only a few people
> that respond
> >but basically all I have said is that I support the German government in
> >its moves to curb addiction and that sometimes I feel like
> dragging people
> >out of their homes to participate in life a bit more. From this
> it's like,
> >I'm a nazi or it's to do with the jews in the war or Christ
> knows what. To
> me,
> >to be honest, this is just the basic layer of resistance the
> psyche has to
> >the idea of change. I see it when I'm doing therapist work all the time.
> People
> >want to shoot me up with gear, well, so what, I could do with a bit more
> >rest at times anyway. Preston's there shaking his head so much it's about
> >to fall off or something, yeah well that's life.
> Hi Nick,
> Did you read Peter Cohen's writing in the HRC ibogaine roundtable
> report.
> Peter got dana quite upset but, I think his writing may be
> directed more at you.
>  What do you think of his thoughts?
> http://www.doraweiner.org/aatod_hrc.html
> (see ibogaine roundtable review and the link to his full article
> from there
> if you wish).  It seems to me that over the years you have gone
> from a "world
> is doom" to a "world should be controlled" philosophy and that of
> course is not
> an unnatural course or events.  It is just that that control
> concept in the
> US with prohibition and our prison industrial complex gives me a lot of
> concern.  And I guess it is not just the US but, I am here.
> Howard
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