[Ibogaine] I'm going to stick my dick in the mashed potetoes

Nick Sandberg nick227 at tiscali.co.uk
Wed Jan 26 17:59:25 EST 2005



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> From: Kirsty Sutherland [mailto:captkirk at kol.co.nz]
> Sent: 26 January 2005 22:39
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I'm going to stick my dick in the mashed potetoes
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> I guess I have met a few "drug users" who are dull and a drag,
> but I've also
> met some "drug users" who are creative as all hell (whereas
> BEFORE they used
> drugs, they were a Joe Schmo, going along with the 9 to 5'ers, social
> climbers oh yehhhhhh) (punk song from 80's)  they're working on what THEY
> want to do, they create music, art all of which is stunning and amazing...
> they're brilliant to talk to.... I mean look at wassis name... William
> Burroughs?? Would you call him a drag???? I don't think so!!!  So
> drug users
> are ALL so dull........ but some are! But then again, some non drug users
> are a drag...... geeee I'm so confused now!@!!!!
> Over to you............................NICK!!!!! :o)
> Luff heapz
> Kirk
>

Like where did I say all drug users were a drag? I never said that, babe. It
just bores me when junkies try and intellectually defend being junkies. That
is just SO drag. Love Nick


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227 at tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 9:08 a.m.
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I'm going to stick my dick in the mashed potetoes
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: knowone knowwhere [mailto:kn0m0n3 at yahoo.co.uk]
> > Sent: 26 January 2005 17:51
> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > Subject: [Ibogaine] I'm going to stick my dick in the mashed potetoes
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> > Some Ibo Vids:
> > http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/archive.cgi?q=ibogaine
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> > "stick mY dick in tha mashed potatoes" sound comes
> > from ISBN: 724382859925 Trk 3
> >  Fair Use Contact?
> >     Try http://capitalrecords.com/contact.htm
> > to see, I dunno.
> > I figure they got it from someone else so Why Not?
> >
> >   Nick,  I think the term "fencing in" comes across a
> > little threatening and sounds like coming from a
> > source that doesn't take it's own perspective with a
> > grain of salt.  (Umm..I do that too if you can't
> > already tell)
> >
>
> Well, it doesn't threaten me personally. How you see it is up to you, for
> sure.
>
> >   I couldn't agree with "Hi Feds"Preston more re: it's
> > not as simple as heroin bad/ibogaine good, because,
> > well, it's just not.
> >
>
> OK, thank you for pointing that out.
>
> >   Some almost conclusions I have reached through My
> > Limited experience is Prohibition  of "drugs" (Ibo AND
> > Heroin too) caused/causes MUCH more damage then the
> > "drugs" themselves could ever cause.  Way More.  All
> > the way down to
> >                 Invoking Shame
> > Because they have some sort of self percieved moral
> > authority to invoke it.
> >
> > In case you haven't noticed, Junkies don't like being
> > told what to do, just like non junkies.
> >
>
> Yes, but they rarely, in my experience, have the guts to really put their
> negativity out. Not necessarily through any innate personality
> disfunction,
> but because using heroin blocks expression. Because you use h you're too
> numbed out to express your authority trips and thus they stay forever, and
> that makes for a seriously DULL planet. That's why I advocate
> dragging this
> stuff out into the light of day, kicking and screaming if
> necessary. If you
> really put out an authority trip you can see how, underneath it,
> you're just
> keeping yourself small and safe, then you can move beyond this
> position and
> expand. Whilst you're too gauched out to even express a feeling properly
> nothing can move and you become, imo, one serious fucking drag.
>
> > I like people to give me my options then let me
> > decide.
> >
> > How am I not supposed to see this as scarry?:
> >
> > "a fencing-in tool"
> >
> > "I think some people should just be
> > dragged
> > out of their homes and made to take part."
> >
> >
> > I couldn't disagree more with what is written here:
> > "I mean ibogaine IS
> > fencing-in,
> > basic principle of liberating consciousness - enclose
> > it."
> >
> > HOw can you use fencing-in and liberating
> > consciousness together like that, dat dunt muk scaunse
> > 2 me mohn.
> > You mention treatment centers that do this, well ok.
> > If they were that sucessful at it we wouldn't be here
> > talking about Ibogaine.
> >
>
> Study the process of initiation, man. It's all the same principle -
> containment. Really, study it. You'll see the same pattern
> everywhere. It's
> "fixation" in alchemy, crucifixion in Christianity, iboga in Bwiti - and
> it's all the same process. Mutability, Fixation, Cardinality (Godliness).
> Maybe if you do enough smack you can miss it in this lifetime but, rest
> assured, we'll get you in the next (if you get one)! It's Huis
> Clos, no way
> out! Really! We'll sucker you in with some nice spacey chit-chat about
> ibogaine being a psychoactive, then when the exit is blocked, Wham! Now
> you're gonna look at who you are, like it or not!
>
> > People aren't bad people just because they eat
> > chocolate,  Same with Opiate users (moderate or
> > heavy).
> > I have been "clean" <-- see even that term is loaded
> > with SHame, to imply that if not meeting some
> > determined (by who) formula that I am somehow
> > "unclean", can we say bRa1NwA$h1nG?
>
> Look, I'm not laying SHame on you. You're doing that to yourself.
>
> > Anyways without Methadone or opiates for going on 2
> > years now.  I am Cynical as FUck, always have been.  I
> > don't think that just because I choose not to, that
> > everybody in the world has to stop too, again, not
> > taking own perspective with a grain of salt.
> > I don't think hugging/saying fuck off, fuzzy
> > feelings/resentful feeling, some oneiric Christ
> > experience, overanalysing or underanaylsing is NOT
> > required, each has different goals when taking ibo.
> >
> > If I could be arrested and given my prescribed
> > medication I wouldn't think twice about getting on and
> > staying on for life, but that ain't how it is, so I
> > don't.
> >
> >    Nick, I don't really have a problem with what you
> > are saying, I just think their may be a more workable
> > way to communicate what you are trying to get across,
> > that's all.
> >
>
> But I'm actually not trying to get anything across.
>
> with love
>
> Nick
>
> >   "I like it when I can see the whole person,"
> >   You have to have trust first.  Making LOve and
> > Fucking are not the same thing.  If you want to see
> > the whole person...use the terms "ego" and "fencing
> > in" More More More, or not.
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> > Ok enough of dat.
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> > <tucking sheets ‘n bed>
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> > May I hear the Blue Pearl Story Please?
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