[Ibogaine] ibogaine and scary fascism:Nick

Kirsty Sutherland captkirk at kol.co.nz
Wed Jan 26 17:32:47 EST 2005


Well, if I got out there and told “The World” all my dirty little secrets,
they’d probly LOCK ME UP!!!!!!!!

(Please, don’t take this seriously, I am just JOKING!!! Lol)

 

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From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227 at tiscali.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 7:46 a.m.
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and scary fascism:Nick

 

 

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From: thethird at myway.com [mailto:thethird at myway.com]
Sent: 26 January 2005 17:11
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and scary fascism:Nick








Hey Nick, I read a post where you wrote:

>>What about just being a general fucking drag, junkie or otherwise? I mean,
>>don't you agree it would be great to have some social laws for people who
>>don't want to participate in life? OK, it could be abused and Who make the
>>Rules Up and all that, but really I think some people should just be
dragged
>>out of their homes and made to take part.

Are you serious that you think people should be forced out of their homes
and then forced into doing things that other people feel they should do.  

Yes! Where do you live?!

That sounds pretty serious. What if we only get one life and here is some
jerk telling us what he thinks we should do to really get the most of it. I
have to say that one of my pet peeves is nosy people who feel that they know
what is best for everyone else. Being a drug addict it becomes pretty
obvious that there is no shortage of people who get off hearing all the
gritty details of your life a nd can't wait to feel that spiritual better
than thouness when they take you by the hand and guide you through all that
nastiness and bring you into the light. I have complete respect for people
who spend time helping other people, but I think it is important that they
don't try to force people into that help, because it won't work unless that
person wants to be helped.  

You don't want people poking their noses into your private little thought
processes! Why not? What are you hiding?

 Also when you said you are anti-heroin, I would like to ask you why.
Because it is so addictive and you think it ruins people's lives?  

No, because I'm pro-awareness. Heroin's a painkiller, an analgesic. It numbs
you out and blocks awareness, blocks development. 

 Everything we take acts like a drug in our brains, from the food we eat to
the air we breathe. Oxygen is probably the most addictive thing out there,
but nobody thinks about trying to kick oxygen because our quality of life
would be pretty shitty without it,  

This is true

 and I truly believe that for some people, because of a chemical imbalance,
pain reasons,  lack of awareness, chronic immaturity, laziness (just to give
both sides) or whatever, that their quality of life with opiates is higher
than without it. All in all it should be up to the individual, as long as
they are not hurting any one else, to decide how they want to live their
life.  

Well, I don't agree.  I think dragging people out of their homes is a far
better option. Really, I mean it. Drag all those seedy little secrets that
you don't want to reveal to the world out into daylight and get to recognize
who you really are. Why not? Confront your fears! Show yourself! Give it! 

 I've done a lot of things in my life that some people would have loved to
have the control to stop me, but I am thankful that they couldn't because I
got a lot from those things, more understanding about myself and what I
wanted this life to be about. If you can't be in someone else's head you
can't know what they want or need, so don't you think it would be better to
let people come to their own conclusions,  

I'm sorry, but this just isn't my experience. A lot of people don't seem to
have a clue what they actually need. They're stuck in repetitive patterns in
life, trying to maintain face and hold down feelings, desperate to cling to
anything that doesn't theaten their image of themselves, few more so than
addicts. They just go round and round, and if they come past me I try to
encourage them to look deeper  in whatever way I can. I'm learning.

 and then, if you like to help people, wait until they decide what they want
to change, and then help them, as opposed to forcing what you think is best
for them upon them? You always seem so positive and up-beat that I think you
are probably great at helping people, but from some of your posts I got the
feeling that you could be a little forceful (the whole dragging people out
of their homes thing). Of course it's hard to know what people are like from
a few emails. 

I like people. I learn from people. And if someone is coming into my
vicinity who I think could benefit from useful feedback, then I give it. My
energy is pro-active, that's how I am. About knowing how people are, for
sure it's hard from emails. Emails are a bit limited generally but, still,
something can happen!

love

Nick

 

Laura



 


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