[Ibogaine] ibogaine and scary fascism:Nick

Nick Sandberg nick227 at tiscali.co.uk
Wed Jan 26 15:10:43 EST 2005



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> From: knowone knowwhere [mailto:kn0m0n3 at yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: 26 January 2005 19:08
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and scary fascism:Nick
>
>
> (with heroin/cocaine)
> "Where do you live?!"
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love

Nick

>  --- Nick Sandberg <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: thethird at myway.com
> > [mailto:thethird at myway.com]
> >   Sent: 26 January 2005 17:11
> >   To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >   Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and scary
> > fascism:Nick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                       Hey Nick, I read a post where
> > you wrote:
> >
> >                       >>What about just being a
> > general fucking drag, junkie
> > or otherwise? I mean,
> >                       >>don't you agree it would be
> > great to have some
> > social laws for people who
> >                       >>don't want to participate in
> > life? OK, it could be
> > abused and Who make the
> >                       >>Rules Up and all that, but
> > really I think some
> > people should just be dragged
> >                       >>out of their homes and made
> > to take part.
> >
> >                       Are you serious that you think
> > people should be forced
> > out of their homes and then forced into doing things
> > that other people feel
> > they should do.
> >
> >                       Yes! Where do you live?!
> >
> >                       That sounds pretty serious.
> > What if we only get one
> > life and here is some jerk telling us what he thinks
> > we should do to really
> > get the most of it. I have to say that one of my pet
> > peeves is nosy people
> > who feel that they know what is best for everyone
> > else. Being a drug addict
> > it becomes pretty obvious that there is no shortage
> > of people who get off
> > hearing all the gritty details of your life a nd
> > can't wait to feel that
> > spiritual better than thouness when they take you by
> > the hand and guide you
> > through all that nastiness and bring you into the
> > light. I have complete
> > respect for people who spend time helping other
> > people, but I think it is
> > important that they don't try to force people into
> > that help, because it
> > won't work unless that person wants to be helped.
> >
> >                       You don't want people poking
> > their noses into your
> > private little thought processes! Why not? What are
> > you hiding?
> >
> >                        Also when you said you are
> > anti-heroin, I would like
> > to ask you why. Because it is so addictive and you
> > think it ruins people's
> > lives?
> >
> >                       No, because I'm pro-awareness.
> > Heroin's a painkiller,
> > an analgesic. It numbs you out and blocks awareness,
> > blocks development.
> >
> >                        Everything we take acts like
> > a drug in our brains,
> > from the food we eat to the air we breathe. Oxygen
> > is probably the most
> > addictive thing out there, but nobody thinks about
> > trying to kick oxygen
> > because our quality of life would be pretty shitty
> > without it,
> >
> >                       This is true
> >
> >                        and I truly believe that for
> > some people, because of
> > a chemical imbalance, pain reasons,  lack of
> > awareness, chronic immaturity,
> > laziness (just to give both sides) or whatever, that
> > their quality of life
> > with opiates is higher than without it. All in all
> > it should be up to the
> > individual, as long as they are not hurting any one
> > else, to decide how they
> > want to live their life.
> >
> >                       Well, I don't agree.  I think
> > dragging people out of
> > their homes is a far better option. Really, I mean
> > it. Drag all those seedy
> > little secrets that you don't want to reveal to the
> > world out into daylight
> > and get to recognize who you really are. Why not?
> > Confront your fears! Show
> > yourself! Give it!
> >
> >                        I've done a lot of things in
> > my life that some people
> > would have loved to have the control to stop me, but
> > I am thankful that they
> > couldn't because I got a lot from those things, more
> > understanding about
> > myself and what I wanted this life to be about. If
> > you can't be in someone
> > else's head you can't know what they want or need,
> > so don't you think it
> > would be better to let people come to their own
> > conclusions,
> >
> >                       I'm sorry, but this just isn't
> > my experience. A lot of
> > people don't seem to have a clue what they actually
> > need. They're stuck in
> > repetitive patterns in life, trying to maintain face
> > and hold down feelings,
> > desperate to cling to anything that doesn't theaten
> > their image of
> > themselves, few more so than addicts. They just go
> > round and round, and if
> > they come past me I try to encourage them to look
> > deeper  in whatever way I
> > can. I'm learning.
> >
> >                        and then, if you like to help
> > people, wait until they
> > decide what they want to change, and then help them,
> > as opposed to forcing
> > what you think is best for them upon them? You
> > always seem so positive and
> > up-beat that I think you are probably great at
> > helping people, but from some
> > of your posts I got the feeling that you could be a
> > little forceful (the
> > whole dragging people out of their homes thing). Of
> > course it's hard to know
> > what people are like from a few emails.
> >
> >                       I like people. I learn from
> > people. And if someone is
> > coming into my vicinity who I think could benefit
> > from useful feedback, then
> > I give it. My energy is pro-active, that's how I am.
> > About knowing how
> > people are, for sure it's hard from emails. Emails
> > are a bit limited
> > generally but, still, something can happen!
> >
> >                       love
> >
> >                       Nick
> >
> >
> >
> >                       Laura
> >
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