[Ibogaine] ibogaine and scary fascism:Nick

Sara Glatt sara119 at xs4all.nl
Wed Jan 26 14:32:33 EST 2005

Let me lock you up before you do any drugs as preventive imprisonment.
If you are  prostituting and Mom gave up on you, you own your dealer money
or your pimp is after you + the police on the other side and you are
paranoid, then please let me 
Imprison you for your own safety. where do you live? 


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Van: knowone knowwhere [mailto:kn0m0n3 at yahoo.co.uk] 
Verzonden: woensdag 26 januari 2005 20:07
Aan: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Onderwerp: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and scary fascism:Nick

Let me shoot you up please.

 --- Nick Sandberg <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk> wrote: 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: thethird at myway.com
> [mailto:thethird at myway.com]
>   Sent: 26 January 2005 17:11
>   To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>   Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] ibogaine and scary
> fascism:Nick
>                       Hey Nick, I read a post where
> you wrote:
>                       >>What about just being a
> general fucking drag, junkie
> or otherwise? I mean,
>                       >>don't you agree it would be
> great to have some
> social laws for people who
>                       >>don't want to participate in
> life? OK, it could be
> abused and Who make the
>                       >>Rules Up and all that, but
> really I think some
> people should just be dragged
>                       >>out of their homes and made
> to take part.
>                       Are you serious that you think
> people should be forced
> out of their homes and then forced into doing things
> that other people feel
> they should do.
>                       Yes! Where do you live?!
>                       That sounds pretty serious.
> What if we only get one
> life and here is some jerk telling us what he thinks
> we should do to really
> get the most of it. I have to say that one of my pet
> peeves is nosy people
> who feel that they know what is best for everyone
> else. Being a drug addict
> it becomes pretty obvious that there is no shortage
> of people who get off
> hearing all the gritty details of your life a nd
> can't wait to feel that
> spiritual better than thouness when they take you by
> the hand and guide you
> through all that nastiness and bring you into the
> light. I have complete
> respect for people who spend time helping other
> people, but I think it is
> important that they don't try to force people into
> that help, because it
> won't work unless that person wants to be helped.
>                       You don't want people poking
> their noses into your
> private little thought processes! Why not? What are
> you hiding?
>                        Also when you said you are
> anti-heroin, I would like
> to ask you why. Because it is so addictive and you
> think it ruins people's
> lives?
>                       No, because I'm pro-awareness.
> Heroin's a painkiller,
> an analgesic. It numbs you out and blocks awareness,
> blocks development.
>                        Everything we take acts like
> a drug in our brains,
> from the food we eat to the air we breathe. Oxygen
> is probably the most
> addictive thing out there, but nobody thinks about
> trying to kick oxygen
> because our quality of life would be pretty shitty
> without it,
>                       This is true
>                        and I truly believe that for
> some people, because of
> a chemical imbalance, pain reasons,  lack of
> awareness, chronic immaturity,
> laziness (just to give both sides) or whatever, that
> their quality of life
> with opiates is higher than without it. All in all
> it should be up to the
> individual, as long as they are not hurting any one
> else, to decide how they
> want to live their life.
>                       Well, I don't agree.  I think
> dragging people out of
> their homes is a far better option. Really, I mean
> it. Drag all those seedy
> little secrets that you don't want to reveal to the
> world out into daylight
> and get to recognize who you really are. Why not?
> Confront your fears! Show
> yourself! Give it!
>                        I've done a lot of things in
> my life that some people
> would have loved to have the control to stop me, but
> I am thankful that they
> couldn't because I got a lot from those things, more
> understanding about
> myself and what I wanted this life to be about. If
> you can't be in someone
> else's head you can't know what they want or need,
> so don't you think it
> would be better to let people come to their own
> conclusions,
>                       I'm sorry, but this just isn't
> my experience. A lot of
> people don't seem to have a clue what they actually
> need. They're stuck in
> repetitive patterns in life, trying to maintain face
> and hold down feelings,
> desperate to cling to anything that doesn't theaten
> their image of
> themselves, few more so than addicts. They just go
> round and round, and if
> they come past me I try to encourage them to look
> deeper  in whatever way I
> can. I'm learning.
>                        and then, if you like to help
> people, wait until they
> decide what they want to change, and then help them,
> as opposed to forcing
> what you think is best for them upon them? You
> always seem so positive and
> up-beat that I think you are probably great at
> helping people, but from some
> of your posts I got the feeling that you could be a
> little forceful (the
> whole dragging people out of their homes thing). Of
> course it's hard to know
> what people are like from a few emails.
>                       I like people. I learn from
> people. And if someone is
> coming into my vicinity who I think could benefit
> from useful feedback, then
> I give it. My energy is pro-active, that's how I am.
> About knowing how
> people are, for sure it's hard from emails. Emails
> are a bit limited
> generally but, still, something can happen!
>                       love
>                       Nick
>                       Laura
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