Preston cynicism, ibogaine, and hokey pokey icecream......

Kirsty Sutherland captkirk at kol.co.nz
Wed Jan 26 04:12:02 EST 2005


I think people are missing the main point here........what about the pain???
And I argue (again) that since there IS no right and no wrong... then nobody
CAN be right!!! 
(And by the way, I'm always right, even when I'm wrong, I am right.) 
Koiky

-----Original Message-----
From: The Garden [mailto:GardenRestaurant at comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2005 7:03 p.m.
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Preston cynicism and ibogaine

Hi Preston !!

You wrote :

 " While as it was said to
me in a variety of -A rooms at a variety of times, "it was your own best
thinking that got you here," well, I ain't still in those rooms, and I've
been making something of myself beyond a conniving street denizen despite my
need for and use of (for a long, long time now pretty much almost always
legal) opiates. So to wrap it up, nope, don't want off drugs, just to have
the option of having ibogaine to drastically reset the habit.
    Any thoughts anyone?"

They said :  "it was your own best thinking that got you here,"
When you are there, in the A's rooms and when you are not in the rooms
(using  ) it still your
own best thinking that keep you out-there.

What matter what you do or where you go : it'still your best thinking that
bring you where ever you are ?/!
So , I do you know what is your best thinking ?
The one who bring you in the rooms or the one who keep you out of the rooms
?/!

 Maybee you should quit or maybee not ?/! Using or thinking,. you never
don't know .
 You are a lot smarter than most of people and you should figure out .
I know that it take a lot of humility to accept to be told what to do, (even
when people are right.)specialy when you are young, sensible, smart and
confronted  closely  ( too early ) with the possibility of your own death.

In my humble opinion : addiction keep you away from the regular , normal
times and rythm of passage in  life.

We are like lobter, we have to change our hard shell regularly if we want to
grow.When the lobster change her hard shell she feel very vunerable for a
while but not for ever. She don't rationalize and just do her job on going
on with life ..stronger than before.Each one of us have to go throught
this..... Using or not using , soon or later. ... but always.
Death could be a premature exit to avoid the change of season; but it's not
a good idea to trought away the hard shell with the lobster. I believe in
reeincarnation, so I am fuck any way :-)
Change sucks....... so do not changing. It's your call !

Love you, Man
Francis





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Preston Peet" <ptpeet at nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] cynicism and ibogaine


> Hi all,
>     Nick asked,
>
> >Correct me if I'm wrong here - basically you
> want to get off and stay off drugs, but you want to do it on your own
> terms.<
>
> No Nick, getting off and staying off drugs isn't really my goal at all,
not
> at this time anyway. I have no desire whatsoever to go through surgery.
> Until I do find something else that helps me cope with being inside such
> constantly angry nerve endings, I'll continue to rely on drugs to assist
me
> with that coping. At the moment, despite moments of panic because I
> occasionally do too many and leave myself short, I've been able to resist
> going to the streets to cop to suppliment my intake. It's not always fun
or
> easy being addicted though, so I'd like the option of trying something
along
> the lines of ibogaine maintenence. Some might not personally agree with
this
> idea, but personally? I think that if I'm going to be using opiates (the
> physically safest, least toxic pain killers I've ever come across, not to
> mention most effective) for a while to come, I'd like to have the option
of
> what's been described to me as "resetting." Where I can take a dose, kill
my
> tolerance and habit, bring it back down to much smaller levels, and if I
> need to do it again at some point down the road, by golly I want to be
able
> to do just that without being told "you only get so many chances or you
> gotta find a new source." (Of course, this is assuming I have a source,
and
> at the moment- listening feds?- there ain't no source. I'm thinking of
> possibilities for down the road, because at the moment there ain't no
source
> to be found and I could use one. Got it Feds who might still be
> listening/reading?)
>     So with the "no source" thing in mind, remember please that I'm mainly
> just venting, not addressing this at anyone in particular, although I
admit
> I am basing some of my statements on certain comments said to me at
> different times by this and that friend. But yes Nick, I do want to do
> things on my own terms. I'm so freakin' sick of being told I have to
conform
> to this or that label, that I'm this or that because I do or don't, use or
> don't use, vote or don't vote, hate or don't, etc. While as it was said to
> me in a variety of -A rooms at a variety of times, "it was your own best
> thinking that got you here," well, I ain't still in those rooms, and I've
> been making something of myself beyond a conniving street denizen despite
my
> need for and use of (for a long, long time now pretty much almost always
> legal) opiates. So to wrap it up, nope, don't want off drugs, just to have
> the option of having ibogaine to drastically reset the habit.
>     Any thoughts anyone?
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
> "Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness"
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs"
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nick Sandberg" <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:56 AM
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] cynicism and ibogaine
>
>
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet at nyc.rr.com]
> >> Sent: 25 January 2005 00:10
> >> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> >> Subject: [Ibogaine] cynicism and ibogaine
> >>
> >>
> >> dh wrote, in reply to the notion that ibogaine is an anti-cynicism
> >> substance:
> >>
> >> >100%, Pure, unadulterated... Bullshit.
> >>
> >> no additives or preservatives, either.
> >>
> >> Virgin Bullshit.<
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah, to pipe up here, while I might not put it quite as harshly,
feeling
> >> slightly more huggy this evening than snarly, I gotta agree with
> >> dh here, as
> >> this is pretty much bologna.
> >> I was still and am still quite the freakin cynic, despite two
> >> times taking
> >> ibogaine (although someone told me the second time didn't really count,
> >> because even though I was trying to get another treatment, someone
> >> apparently thought I didn't really know what I needed and so
> >> didn't supply
> >> quite the amount I thought I was getting so it was considered not a
> >> treatment per se but rather a psychospiritual effort. While I did
> >> use that
> >> term when expressing my desire to go again so soon after the
> >> first time, I
> >> also noted my desire to further explore issues I'd touched on first
time
> >> round, but I digress- let me get back to the cynism). Things were
> >> nice and
> >> glowy when I first did ibogaine, I mean immediately afterwards,
> >> but I knew
> >> even then that wouldn't last and felt weirded out by that. I've not yet
> >> admitted this publicly I don't think, not to anyone but V I don't
> >> think, but
> >> as soon as I came out of the nausea and dizziness, I was very
> >> depressed the
> >> second time 'round, and truly felt that I had just completely negated
the
> >> first experience, right there. As soon as I was able to sit up,
> >> in less than
> >> 12 hours, (which was another signal to me that something wasn't
> >> quite right,
> >> that I hadn't taken the amount I'd expected to be taking), I felt
> >> that I had
> >> not gotten in nearly as far as I'd needed and expressed the desire to
do,
> >> that I hadn't this time been to the holodeck, not seen a single
> >> vision, not
> >> had much of any experience the second time round but feeling ill and
> >> disappointed and in a very black mood when finished (and I want
> >> to go again
> >> sometime- what am I thinking? LOL).
> >>     I feel personally that a provider, depending upon the situation
> >> actually, but a provider on the black market, shouldn't necessarily be
> >> abritrary about how they supply those who want to buy their
> >> wares. I would
> >> feel almost resentful if a provider tells me things along the
> >> lines of, "we
> >> don't want to treat people more than twice, and if it doesn't work in
two
> >> times we're going to recommend they go elsewhere, out of their own
> >> environment, to do it again, with someone else like Sara perhaps, or
the
> >> folk in Mexico." Now, I'm not at all saying there's anything even
> >> remotely
> >> wrong with taking ibogaine in Mexico or with Sara- I'd love to take it
at
> >> Sara's someday actually. But I don't want to be told "it's this way,
our
> >> way, or no way at all." I don't want to be told that I must go
> >> see this or
> >> that psych-type person for counseling, I don't want to be expected at
> >> meetings, I don't want to be told it's too soon/toolate/not enough/etc.
I
> >> want to be able to obtain the stuff and do it as I and my
> >> significant other
> >> think most beneficial, for whatever reason and in whatever
> >> fashion the two
> >> of us think most fit. T hat's the best way I think. I don't want
someone
> >> judging from outside me how much I'd need beyond, "he's this
> >> heavy so this
> >> much is needed for him to really, really do the three day thing,"
> >> and that's
> >> about it. I don't want someone obtaining this stuff for me and at
> >> the same
> >> time saying things along the lines of, "I think he needs just
> >> this or that
> >> amount for this or that reason." Somehow, while I understand where it's
> >> coming from and that that is a good place and very well meant, this
just
> >> doesn't strike me as the very best or more beneficial way for me
> >> to do this
> >> stuff.
> >>     I sincerely hope I've not screwed my chances for the future by
laying
> >> out my feelings in this fashion on the public list, but I've had these
> >> thoughts for a while and Dave sorta shook them loose with his post.
> >>     (I'm blaming you dh, you and my disease- you know I can't
> >> help myself,
> >> I'm not responsible, I'm sick, a really reaeealy sicky sicko,
> >> probably even
> >> a somewhat pinko sicko, in need of treatment 'cause damn it I'm
> >> freakin all
> >> out ILL! Or something.)
> >>     Seriously, sorry to vent on you all. Here's wishing everyone a good
> >> evening, except for those who might not want me to do that, to be
> >> all nice
> >> and stuff, and would rather I be hostile or pessimistic or whatever is
> >> anti-huggy and peaceful and such.
> >>
> >>
> >> Peace and love,
> >> Preston
> >
> > Hey Preston,
> >
> > Good to hear of your feelings. Correct me if I'm wrong here - basically
> > you
> > want to get off and stay off drugs, but you want to do it on your own
> > terms.
> > Is this right?
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >>
> >> "Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is
often
> >> mistaken for madness"
> >> Richard Davenport-Hines
> >>
> >> ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
> >> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> >> Editor "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs"
> >> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> >> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> >> Columnist New York Waste
> >> Etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "D H" <dave at phantom.com>
> >> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 3:31 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]  free
> >>
> >>
> >> >>>> And, frankly, if you take ibogaine and you're still cynical
>>about
> >> >>>> life, then
> >> >>>> it's not working for you. Ibogaine is 100% anti-cynicism -
>>really!
> >> >
> >> > 100%, Pure, unadulterated... Bullshit.
> >> >
> >> > no additives or preservatives, either.
> >> >
> >> > Virgin Bullshit.
> >> >
> >> > _.dh
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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