[Ibogaine] Ken/was/Re: [Ibogaine] free
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Tue Jan 25 09:54:45 EST 2005
In a message dated 1/25/05 12:43:18 AM, chayco at island.net writes:
<< My concern with methamphetamine abusers was the elevated heart rate and
entrenched psychotic behaviour.
It seems to me that ibogaine as an effective interrupter of opiate addiction
is a given, in most situations, but the effectiveness of ibogaine to
'interrupt' chronic methamphetamine abuse appears to not be as dramatic as
If there is a risk of ibogaine raising amphetamine levels in the brain, and
the 'self administered' is acting in an extremely psychotic and harmful
manner, what steps can the 'care giver' take immediately ? >>
Ibogaine is not as dramatic in interrupting methamphetamine dependence as it
is heroin dependence because there is no similar withdrawal signs seen with
methamphetamine as with opioids and thus the very dramatic elimination of opioid
withdrawal signs by ibogaine is absent with methamphetamine.
I anticipate that raised heart levels would be seen with active
methamphetamine use. If this is not the case then a cardiac disorder may exist. Cardiac
disorders are reason for the elimination of many patients from ibogaine
therapy. Additionally, drug dependence, adverse drug effects and psychotic symptoms
are all distinct and may have to be dealt with in a distinct manner. If the
subject to be treated is exhibiting psychotic symptoms that may or may not be
associated with amphetamine use and/or cannot be depended on to cease
methamphetamine use long enough to be treated with ibogaine than I would only feel
comfortable treating the patient in a controlled environment. A hospital would
be great but, I guess that is non existent. Has an EKG and blood chemistry
including liver profile been obtained? Is the patent HCV or HIV positive? Any
other medical disorders? Does the subject want to be treated with ibogaine?
How much amphetamine and by what route is it administered? There are
variables here that could result in a fatal reaction.
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