cynicism and ibogaine

Preston Peet ptpeet at
Mon Jan 24 19:10:24 EST 2005

dh wrote, in reply to the notion that ibogaine is an anti-cynicism 

>100%, Pure, unadulterated... Bullshit.

no additives or preservatives, either.

Virgin Bullshit.<

Yeah, to pipe up here, while I might not put it quite as harshly, feeling 
slightly more huggy this evening than snarly, I gotta agree with dh here, as 
this is pretty much bologna.
I was still and am still quite the freakin cynic, despite two times taking 
ibogaine (although someone told me the second time didn't really count, 
because even though I was trying to get another treatment, someone 
apparently thought I didn't really know what I needed and so didn't supply 
quite the amount I thought I was getting so it was considered not a 
treatment per se but rather a psychospiritual effort. While I did use that 
term when expressing my desire to go again so soon after the first time, I 
also noted my desire to further explore issues I'd touched on first time 
round, but I digress- let me get back to the cynism). Things were nice and 
glowy when I first did ibogaine, I mean immediately afterwards, but I knew 
even then that wouldn't last and felt weirded out by that. I've not yet 
admitted this publicly I don't think, not to anyone but V I don't think, but 
as soon as I came out of the nausea and dizziness, I was very depressed the 
second time 'round, and truly felt that I had just completely negated the 
first experience, right there. As soon as I was able to sit up, in less than 
12 hours, (which was another signal to me that something wasn't quite right, 
that I hadn't taken the amount I'd expected to be taking), I felt that I had 
not gotten in nearly as far as I'd needed and expressed the desire to do, 
that I hadn't this time been to the holodeck, not seen a single vision, not 
had much of any experience the second time round but feeling ill and 
disappointed and in a very black mood when finished (and I want to go again 
sometime- what am I thinking? LOL).
    I feel personally that a provider, depending upon the situation 
actually, but a provider on the black market, shouldn't necessarily be 
abritrary about how they supply those who want to buy their wares. I would 
feel almost resentful if a provider tells me things along the lines of, "we 
don't want to treat people more than twice, and if it doesn't work in two 
times we're going to recommend they go elsewhere, out of their own 
environment, to do it again, with someone else like Sara perhaps, or the 
folk in Mexico." Now, I'm not at all saying there's anything even remotely 
wrong with taking ibogaine in Mexico or with Sara- I'd love to take it at 
Sara's someday actually. But I don't want to be told "it's this way, our 
way, or no way at all." I don't want to be told that I must go see this or 
that psych-type person for counseling, I don't want to be expected at 
meetings, I don't want to be told it's too soon/toolate/not enough/etc. I 
want to be able to obtain the stuff and do it as I and my significant other 
think most beneficial, for whatever reason and in whatever fashion the two 
of us think most fit. T hat's the best way I think. I don't want someone 
judging from outside me how much I'd need beyond, "he's this heavy so this 
much is needed for him to really, really do the three day thing," and that's 
about it. I don't want someone obtaining this stuff for me and at the same 
time saying things along the lines of, "I think he needs just this or that 
amount for this or that reason." Somehow, while I understand where it's 
coming from and that that is a good place and very well meant, this just 
doesn't strike me as the very best or more beneficial way for me to do this 
    I sincerely hope I've not screwed my chances for the future by laying 
out my feelings in this fashion on the public list, but I've had these 
thoughts for a while and Dave sorta shook them loose with his post.
    (I'm blaming you dh, you and my disease- you know I can't help myself, 
I'm not responsible, I'm sick, a really reaeealy sicky sicko, probably even 
a somewhat pinko sicko, in need of treatment 'cause damn it I'm freakin all 
out ILL! Or something.)
    Seriously, sorry to vent on you all. Here's wishing everyone a good 
evening, except for those who might not want me to do that, to be all nice 
and stuff, and would rather I be hostile or pessimistic or whatever is 
anti-huggy and peaceful and such.

Peace and love,

"Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often 
mistaken for madness"
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet at
Editor "Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs"
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor
Columnist New York Waste

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "D H" <dave at>
To: <ibogaine at>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]  free

>>>> And, frankly, if you take ibogaine and you're still cynical >>about 
>>>> life, then
>>>> it's not working for you. Ibogaine is 100% anti-cynicism - >>really!
> 100%, Pure, unadulterated... Bullshit.
> no additives or preservatives, either.
> Virgin Bullshit.
> _.dh
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