[Ibogaine] free

Vector Vector vector620022002 at yahoo.com
Mon Jan 24 09:45:44 EST 2005


I thought Ken was going to have problems fitting in with his first msg
to the list. I didn't need to worry ;)

I don't know what all everyone else gets reading Ken's messages but I
don't read anything from him that's like what you've described here.
He's funny and cynical, that describes most of the people on this list
who have been junkies for years, whether they got clean or not.

.:vector:.

--- Nick Sandberg <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hey Walter,
>    
> Ken's a drag, man. He pushes people away who are just trying to  
> communicate with him, because he's scared of sharing himself, and
> won't  
> own that. And when someone confronts him a little he hides himself
> away  
> in self pity. Well, poor baby! I'm sorry, but I've seen it a hundred 
> 
> times in the group room and it's just a drag to me. He's not going  
> anywhere with this attitude and until he himself changes it nothing
> is  
> going to change in his life.
>  
> So he's taken ibogaine a few times, well big deal. Anyone can take  
> ibogaine, the question is whether you can follow through in life with
>  
> what it shows you.
>    
> Ken, why don't you share a little more about your life, from the
> heart.  
> I for one would like to know and I'm sure others would too.
>    
> with love
>  
> Nick
>  
>  
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: walt denton [mailto:wally1 at willitsonline.com]
> Sent: 23 January 2005 22:05
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] free
> 
> 
> quite a self-indulgent little spasm
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Kirsty Sutherland
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:30 AM
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] free
> 
> 
> Lol, piss off you freaky troll!!!  And calling me young aint gonna
> help  
> ya!
> 
> And……if I’m your child, where the hell ya been all these years you  
> useless old bugger????
> 
> Gee, being abusive is fun isn’t it???
> 
> :oP
> 
>  
> 
> 
> From: ....Ken [mailto:chayco at island.net]
>   Sent: Sunday, 23 January 2005 5:06 p.m.
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] free
> 
>  
> 
> Come now ,Lass,
> 
>  
> 
> Where are all those warm and fuzzy, open hearted, feeeeeeelings we  
> should all share with the world ?
> 
> Just because I'm a condescending, moldy spirited, curmudgeon that is 
> 
> certainly no reason why you cannot lift yourself up.........into the 
> 
> light. I expect better of you young Kristy.
> 
>    
> 
>                                                           Bless you
> my  
> child......Ken
> 
>  
> 
>
                                                                        
> 
>   
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
> 
>   From: Kirsty Sutherland
> 
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 6:38 PM
> 
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] free
> 
>  
> 
> Trolls! How interesting this is my impression of you, Ken, a troll
> like  
> creature constantly sneering at the world and everybody in it for  
> having beliefs, ideas or traditions, and for some reason I get the  
> feeling you were a lot happier on drugs!!!  Keep trying, you might
> find  
> one that helps!!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> From: ....Ken [mailto:chayco at island.net]
>   Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 4:27 p.m.
> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] free
> 
>  
> 
> Hello Nick,
> 
>  
> 
> Since I am new to this group I will not immediately label you as a  
> troll....maybe you have personal 'issues'....maybe you are  
> 'challenged'...... or simply on DRUGS !
> 
>         That's okay.......let's HUG !
> 
>  
> 
>                                   There is a hidden side of me that  
> just warms up to this stuff  ;-)
> 
>  
> 
>
                                                                        
> 
>     ......Ken 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
>   From: Nick Sandberg
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Hey Ken,
> 
>  
> 
> I'm also having a little trouble understanding what your needs are
> from  
> the list. Are you presenting yourself as someone seeking help, or  
> someone offering it? Would you care to share more about your ibogaine
>  
> experiences, perhaps? My gut instinct, with therapist hat on, is that
>  
> you are seeking help but somewhere unsure how to ask for it. 
> 
>  
> 
> Would love to hear more.
> 
>  
> 
> with love
> 
>  
> 
> Nick Sandberg  www.ibogaine.co.uk 
> 
>  
> 
> Hello Nick,
> 
>  
> 
> Yet another emotionally demonstrative person. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Hey Ken,
> 
>  
> 
> Look, maybe it's me but I'm still have trouble following exactly what
>  
> it is you want. How about I go through it bit by bit and you can set
> me  
> straight if needed -
> 
>  
> 
> No, I am not seeking help. As mentioned in another post I am an  
> advocate of ibogaine and have been so for ten years.  
> 
>  
> 
> OK, this bit I get.
> 
>  
> 
>  I have facilitated the use of ibogaine extract and interested in
> first  
> hand experiences with drugs other than opioids.....which I
> have little  
> experience. 
> 
>  
> 
> OK, so you've given ibogaine extract to people. Yes? And you want to 
> 
> take drugs which are not opiates? Something you haven't done much of 
> 
> before?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   This interest is not for myself personally, 
> 
>  
> 
> Now I get confused. You don't want to take these drugs for yourself?
> Is  
> that right?
> 
>  
> 
>   but whether it is appropriate to reccomend a person with ....say,  
> chronic methamphetamine use to self administer ibogaine. 
> 
>  
> 
> You want to gain experience from listening to other list-members  
> about how suitable ibogaine is for various addictions? Is this it?
> 
>  
> 
> Grateful for any more light, from yourself, or anyone else if I'm  
> simply missing something obvious here.
> 
>  
> 
> Hope you're doing good.
> 
>  
> 
> Nick 
> 
>  
> 
> This forum has changed considerably from its early years.
> 
>  
> 
>                                              regards......Ken  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 


		
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