[Ibogaine] free

Kirsty Sutherland captkirk at kol.co.nz
Sun Jan 23 17:14:19 EST 2005


Nick, I think what he meant was that he is interested in hearing from other
people who have had first hand experience with other drugs…….

Help any?

kirk

 

   _____  

From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227 at tiscali.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 3:01 a.m.
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] free

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: walt denton [mailto:wally1 at willitsonline.com]
Sent: 23 January 2005 02:34
To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] free

Hi Nick,

 

   Perhaps a silly dialogue but what the hey.  It was clear to me when I
read Ken's post that he was

primarily interested in learning more about the efficacy of ibogaine when
used for drugs other than

opiates and wanted to hear personal experiences or other pertinent info.
Didnt seem mysterious.

Not that he doesnt have unconscious reasons or motives as does any
participant but the gist of

his message was clear to me.  It just seemed to me that by sort of
deconstructing his message

line by line you managed to stir in confusion where there really was none.
Appeared to me you

were bored and having some fun.   

 

No, I wouldn't do that. Just trying to get a bit of clarity. Ken was talking
about wanting first-hand experiences with drugs, which I assume means taking
them, don't know how you could get a first-hand experience otherwise. Then
it's like he doesn't want to do it himself. You understand this? I don't!
Here's the sentence below:

 

 I have facilitated the use of ibogaine extract and interested in first hand
experiences with drugs other than opioids.....which I have little
experience. This interest is not for myself personally, but whether it is
appropriate to reccomend a person with ....say, chronic methamphetamine use
to self administer ibogaine. 

 

Anyway, things are more clear now.

 

Love

 

Nick

 

Walt  

----- Original Message ----- 

From: HYPERLINK "mailto:nick227 at tiscali.co.uk"Nick Sandberg 

To: HYPERLINK "mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com"ibogaine at mindvox.com 

Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 1:00 PM

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] free

 

Hi Walt,

 

I'm just trying to get a little clarity. Do you understand what Ken is
asking? I genuinely don't make sense of it.

 

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: walt denton [mailto:wally1 at willitsonline.com]
Sent: 22 January 2005 01:07
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com"ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] free

Nick,

 

   Unless you have suffered  serious mental deterioration since my last
association with

the list a few years ago I KNOW you are not as obtuse as you present
yourself here.

 

   Walt D.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: HYPERLINK "mailto:nick227 at tiscali.co.uk"Nick Sandberg 

To: HYPERLINK "mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com"ibogaine at mindvox.com 

Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:42 AM

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] free

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ....Ken [mailto:chayco at island.net]
Sent: 21 January 2005 17:44
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com"ibogaine at mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] free

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: HYPERLINK "mailto:nick227 at tiscali.co.uk"Nick Sandberg 

To: HYPERLINK "mailto:ibogaine at mindvox.com"ibogaine at mindvox.com 

Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:48 AM

Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] free

 

Hey Ken,

 

I'm also having a little trouble understanding what your needs are from the
list. Are you presenting yourself as someone seeking help, or someone
offering it? Would you care to share more about your ibogaine experiences,
perhaps? My gut instinct, with therapist hat on, is that you are seeking
help but somewhere unsure how to ask for it. 

 

Would love to hear more.

 

with love

 

Nick Sandberg  HYPERLINK "http://www.ibogaine.co.uk"www.ibogaine.co.uk 

 

Hello Nick,

 

Yet another emotionally demonstrative person. 

 

 

Hey Ken,

 

Look, maybe it's me but I'm still have trouble following exactly what it is
you want. How about I go through it bit by bit and you can set me straight
if needed -

 

No, I am not seeking help. As mentioned in another post I am an advocate of
ibogaine and have been so for ten years.  

 

OK, this bit I get.

 

 I have facilitated the use of ibogaine extract and interested in first hand
experiences with drugs other than opioids.....which I have little
experience. 

 

OK, so you've given ibogaine extract to people. Yes? And you want to take
drugs which are not opiates? Something you haven't done much of before?

 

 

  This interest is not for myself personally, 

 

Now I get confused. You don't want to take these drugs for yourself? Is that
right?

 

  but whether it is appropriate to reccomend a person with ....say, chronic
methamphetamine use to self administer ibogaine. 

 

You want to gain experience from listening to other list-members about how
suitable ibogaine is for various addictions? Is this it?

 

Grateful for any more light, from yourself, or anyone else if I'm simply
missing something obvious here.

 

Hope you're doing good.

 

Nick 

 

This forum has changed considerably from its early years.

 

                                             regards......Ken  

 

 


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