[Ibogaine] free

....Ken chayco at island.net
Sat Jan 22 23:06:16 EST 2005

Come now ,Lass,

Where are all those warm and fuzzy, open hearted, feeeeeeelings we should all share with the world ?
Just because I'm a condescending, moldy spirited, curmudgeon that is certainly no reason why you cannot lift yourself up.........into the light. I expect better of you young Kristy. 

                                                          Bless you my child......Ken

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kirsty Sutherland 
  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 6:38 PM
  Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] free

  Trolls! How interesting this is my impression of you, Ken, a troll like creature constantly sneering at the world and everybody in it for having beliefs, ideas or traditions, and for some reason I get the feeling you were a lot happier on drugs!!!  Keep trying, you might find one that helps!!




  From: ....Ken [mailto:chayco at island.net] 
  Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 4:27 p.m.
  To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
  Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] free


  Hello Nick,


  Since I am new to this group I will not immediately label you as a troll....maybe you have personal 'issues'....maybe you are 'challenged'...... or simply on DRUGS !

          That's okay.......let's HUG !


                                    There is a hidden side of me that just warms up to this stuff  ;-)







    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Nick Sandberg 



        Hey Ken,


        I'm also having a little trouble understanding what your needs are from the list. Are you presenting yourself as someone seeking help, or someone offering it? Would you care to share more about your ibogaine experiences, perhaps? My gut instinct, with therapist hat on, is that you are seeking help but somewhere unsure how to ask for it. 


        Would love to hear more.


        with love


        Nick Sandberg  www.ibogaine.co.uk 


        Hello Nick,


        Yet another emotionally demonstrative person. 



        Hey Ken,


        Look, maybe it's me but I'm still have trouble following exactly what it is you want. How about I go through it bit by bit and you can set me straight if needed -


        No, I am not seeking help. As mentioned in another post I am an advocate of ibogaine and have been so for ten years.  


        OK, this bit I get.


         I have facilitated the use of ibogaine extract and interested in first hand experiences with drugs other than opioids.....which I have little experience. 


        OK, so you've given ibogaine extract to people. Yes? And you want to take drugs which are not opiates? Something you haven't done much of before?



          This interest is not for myself personally, 


        Now I get confused. You don't want to take these drugs for yourself? Is that right?


          but whether it is appropriate to reccomend a person with ....say, chronic methamphetamine use to self administer ibogaine. 


        You want to gain experience from listening to other list-members about how suitable ibogaine is for various addictions? Is this it?


        Grateful for any more light, from yourself, or anyone else if I'm simply missing something obvious here.


        Hope you're doing good.




        This forum has changed considerably from its early years.





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