[Ibogaine] Hannah. Anxiety (Jason)

Hannah Clay hannah.clay at ntlworld.com
Sat Jan 22 13:31:29 EST 2005


Francis,

I did have a friend who was training as a life coach so gave me a few
sessions.  I really miss her but I'm still try those NLP techniques and
really believe in their power.

Let me just say I'm so happy to be back on the list!  I'm still not up to
date (only 545 to go! ;-) ) but it's just great to be receiving support,
friendship and most importantly help from people who I really feel a special
bond with.

Jason-I just read a couple of your posts from January and they were
empowering words my brother!  I really really hope as I catch up, that your
posts won't change one bit! :-)

Lotsa love Hannah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Garden" <GardenRestaurant at comcast.net>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hannah. Anxiety


> Hannah,
> You wrote :
>
> I saw a friend today who I
> > used to score with and I know he still does.  Immediately I very nearly
> > asked him to score for me.  I don't know why, it was totally on
> > impulse-association I guess
>
> Don't worry this is an anchor : you had a visual, auditive stimulation
that
> trigger the desire to score.
> Sometimes the tought of using will comes from nowhere like a bird in the
> sky: let it pass and don't let the bird nest in your head :-)
> Talking about " anchor " I found a place where the concept of anchor is
well
> explain :
>
> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~lady/archive/neurological-2.html
>
> Actualy, the good news is that you can create your own "anchors"
> # confidence
> # Excelence and so on
> NlP  are very powerful tools for change.
> God bless
> Francis
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hannah Clay" <hannah.clay at ntlworld.com>
> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hannah. Anxiety
>
>
> > Thanks so much for the support Francis.  I will definitely use your
> > technique.  I've been trying use visualisation to help my depression and
> > lack of self-confidence.  I do find it difficult though-maybe it was the
> > drugs?-but I find imagining hard now, picturing something in my head.
> > Especially me as a wonderful self-confident woman!!! ;-)
> >
> > I'll keep you all updated.  I still can't face going through my backlog
of
> > messages so I don't know what else is going on!  I saw a friend today
who
> I
> > used to score with and I know he still does.  Immediately I very nearly
> > asked him to score for me.  I don't know why, it was totally on
> > impulse-association I guess.  I just forget why I'm doing this
> immediately!
> > Luckily my brain is starting to act more quickly and so I never said
> > anything....and you know what?  5 minutes later after I'd left the guy I
> was
> > SO glad I didn't score!  Its like all my rational thoughts suddenly
> > reappeared.
> >
> > I have a long way to go before I'm over it but the first steps are the
> > hardest and I hope it gets easier.  Most of the time I'm so busy doing
uni
> > reading or walking my dog or actually socialising (with clean or
> > understanding friends) I don't even think about it.
> >
> > Yes I'm scared but I just have to get through it-I couldn't go on as I
> was.
> > I would more likely be dead or else locked up!
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Hannah :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "The Garden" <GardenRestaurant at comcast.net>
> > To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hannah. Anxiety
> >
> >
> > > Hi Hannah !
> > > I am really happy to see how good you are doing :-)
> > > Regarding anxiety, in my humble opinion. Anxiety is there to tell you
> > > something.
> > > Like a pain in the  back is telling you wich movement you have to
avoid
> to
> > > hurt yourself more.
> > >
> > > Now, I give you an example: a young child learning how to walk. Is at
> the
> > > bottom of a long stairway.
> > > He realy want to go upstair, like everybody else.But now is paralysed
by
> > > fear, is full of self doubt, he had a strange feeling somewhere in his
> > guts,
> > > a kind of disconfort that later , as an adult he will label :anxiety.
> > > Do you think he can make it ?/!
> > >
> > > I am learning now something I realy don't like to do but that I want
to
> do
> > > it  ,and..., and this is producing in me some
> > >  (or a lot , I do I know ?/!) of" anxiety ".
> > >  Actualy, I am not even sure that this is anxiety. Somebody told me...
> > > I call it fear and I am not even sure this is fear..
> > > To make a long story short. When this "thing " comes I like to play
with
> > it
> > > ( a friend teach me this technique )
> > > First you welcome the "thing".like " hi !! welcome back, would like a
> cup
> > of
> > > tea ?" " So wat's up ? "
> > > Then you try hard to intensify the feeling to the max. then try to
> reduce
> > > it. then try to make it big, realy  big, intense.....Then you
visualize
> it
> > > outside of you, then inside... so on and so on..
> > > The "thing" realy don't like to be play with and will leave you.
> > >  It's normal to feel a little bet of disconfort at the begining of a
> new,
> > > great, adventure, but that the deal. You have to go throught the pain
> and
> > no
> > > pill in the world will do the job for you.We have to win our own
battle
> > one
> > > step at the time..
> > > Francis
> > > God bless
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "....Ken" <chayco at island.net>
> > > To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hannah
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Hannah,
> > > >
> > > > The anxiety is rough. Have you tried 'clonidine' ?  You will need a
> > > 'script.
> > > > Do some on line research first to see if you think it is worthwhile
> for
> > > you.
> > > >
> > > > It lowers the blood pressure and it helped me through some rough
> times.
> > > >
> > > >                          best regards.....Ken
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Hannah Clay" <hannah.clay at ntlworld.com>
> > > > To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:34 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hannah
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I must be really quick cuz I have to go to bed cuz I'm up early in
> the
> > > > > morning.  Basically I've been busy keeping clean ( :-)))) and my
> PC's
> > > been
> > > > > down for ages.  I have 624 messages from the list to work through
> and
> > > > dunno
> > > > > when I'll get round to it!  Hope everybody's ok and happy?  I've
> been
> > up
> > > > and
> > > > > down.  I've dabbled so I guess I'm not clean but I FEEL clean!  It
> > > doesn't
> > > > > rule my life anymore though I still unfortunately have a few
> problems
> > > with
> > > > > people from the scene.  I feel like its ages since I had any but
now
> I
> > > see
> > > > > it was only 8 days ago but only a tiny bit.  Put it like this-in
the
> > > past
> > > > > 4.5wks I've had it 4 times n that's AMAZING for me.  Today I was
> > > > unfortunate
> > > > > enough to have to sit in a room with people doing it but I felt
> > NOTHING!
> > > > > Its like I can see rationally again.  And when I have slipped its
> been
> > > > small
> > > > > amounts and each time I've instantly regretted it.  I'm down from
> 8mg
> > to
> > > > 2mg
> > > > > of Subutex a day.  It feels like its been months!  I don't want
> > anymore
> > > > > though I'm taking it one day at a time.  Most people don't know
but
> > even
> > > > > those that don't have said how much happier and healthier I look.
> I'm
> > > > still
> > > > > cut up about being dumped from my 3yr relationship but I'm used to
> it
> > > now
> > > > > and enjoying the freedom-my flat's never been so tidy!  Now
there's
> no
> > > man
> > > > > to mess it up as soon as I've cleaned it! ;-)  I said I was gonna
be
> > > quick
> > > > > and I really must go.  I'm working on my self-confidence and just
> > > started
> > > > my
> > > > > Open University course so I can finally complete the last 2yrs of
my
> > BSc
> > > > > Psychology degree!  I'm very poor on benefits and trying to pay
rent
> > > alone
> > > > > etc but compared to when I was doing gear I'm rich!  I can't
believe
> > all
> > > > the
> > > > > money I threw away (or shot up my veins)-now I can see how much
£25
> > > > actually
> > > > > buys you!  I can't believe I was spending hundreds some days!  I
was
> > > > getting
> > > > > badly into crack aswell so really my boyf did the best thing.
> Without
> > > him
> > > > > judging me and making me feel ashamed I'm a totally different
> person.
> > > > I've
> > > > > met loads of new (clean) friends and now actually have a social
> life!
> > I
> > > > > walk my dog miles each day and I'm getting back into my Yoga and
> > trying
> > > to
> > > > > eat healthily.  I am taking the odd Valium tough, probably 3 a
> > week-will
> > > > > this become a problem?  Its just I still get periods of intense
> > despair
> > > > and
> > > > > anxiety, especially about starting my course and they really help.
> I
> > > > don't
> > > > > want to abuse them though, just use them if I really need them.
> This
> > is
> > > > > turning into an essay!  I've missed you guys so much and always
> > wondered
> > > > how
> > > > > you're all doing.  I'll probably have to put a couple of days
aside
> to
> > > get
> > > > > through this backlog!  Oh and my friend is training in Reflexology
> so
> > I
> > > > get
> > > > > that weekly too!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I really must go!  I just wanted to share the good news.  Its
> > > doesn't
> > > > > sound so great on paper but it honestly feels like months to me!
I
> > grow
> > > > > stronger every day and suddenly I have a future!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for caring,
> > > > > Loads and loads of love to you all,
> > > > > Hannah :-)
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ms Iboga" <ms_iboga at yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:57 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Ibogaine] Hannah
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Hannah,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > how are ya, girl?  Haven't heard from you in a
> > > > > > while...wondering how yer doin'?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > love Julie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > __________________________________
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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