[Ibogaine] Hannah. Anxiety

The Garden GardenRestaurant at comcast.net
Fri Jan 21 19:56:14 EST 2005


Hannah,
You wrote :

I saw a friend today who I
> used to score with and I know he still does.  Immediately I very nearly
> asked him to score for me.  I don't know why, it was totally on
> impulse-association I guess

Don't worry this is an anchor : you had a visual, auditive stimulation that
trigger the desire to score.
Sometimes the tought of using will comes from nowhere like a bird in the
sky: let it pass and don't let the bird nest in your head :-)
Talking about " anchor " I found a place where the concept of anchor is well
explain :

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~lady/archive/neurological-2.html

Actualy, the good news is that you can create your own "anchors"
# confidence
# Excelence and so on
NlP  are very powerful tools for change.
God bless
Francis



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hannah Clay" <hannah.clay at ntlworld.com>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hannah. Anxiety


> Thanks so much for the support Francis.  I will definitely use your
> technique.  I've been trying use visualisation to help my depression and
> lack of self-confidence.  I do find it difficult though-maybe it was the
> drugs?-but I find imagining hard now, picturing something in my head.
> Especially me as a wonderful self-confident woman!!! ;-)
>
> I'll keep you all updated.  I still can't face going through my backlog of
> messages so I don't know what else is going on!  I saw a friend today who
I
> used to score with and I know he still does.  Immediately I very nearly
> asked him to score for me.  I don't know why, it was totally on
> impulse-association I guess.  I just forget why I'm doing this
immediately!
> Luckily my brain is starting to act more quickly and so I never said
> anything....and you know what?  5 minutes later after I'd left the guy I
was
> SO glad I didn't score!  Its like all my rational thoughts suddenly
> reappeared.
>
> I have a long way to go before I'm over it but the first steps are the
> hardest and I hope it gets easier.  Most of the time I'm so busy doing uni
> reading or walking my dog or actually socialising (with clean or
> understanding friends) I don't even think about it.
>
> Yes I'm scared but I just have to get through it-I couldn't go on as I
was.
> I would more likely be dead or else locked up!
>
> Thanks again,
> Hannah :-)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Garden" <GardenRestaurant at comcast.net>
> To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hannah. Anxiety
>
>
> > Hi Hannah !
> > I am really happy to see how good you are doing :-)
> > Regarding anxiety, in my humble opinion. Anxiety is there to tell you
> > something.
> > Like a pain in the  back is telling you wich movement you have to avoid
to
> > hurt yourself more.
> >
> > Now, I give you an example: a young child learning how to walk. Is at
the
> > bottom of a long stairway.
> > He realy want to go upstair, like everybody else.But now is paralysed by
> > fear, is full of self doubt, he had a strange feeling somewhere in his
> guts,
> > a kind of disconfort that later , as an adult he will label :anxiety.
> > Do you think he can make it ?/!
> >
> > I am learning now something I realy don't like to do but that I want to
do
> > it  ,and..., and this is producing in me some
> >  (or a lot , I do I know ?/!) of" anxiety ".
> >  Actualy, I am not even sure that this is anxiety. Somebody told me...
> > I call it fear and I am not even sure this is fear..
> > To make a long story short. When this "thing " comes I like to play with
> it
> > ( a friend teach me this technique )
> > First you welcome the "thing".like " hi !! welcome back, would like a
cup
> of
> > tea ?" " So wat's up ? "
> > Then you try hard to intensify the feeling to the max. then try to
reduce
> > it. then try to make it big, realy  big, intense.....Then you visualize
it
> > outside of you, then inside... so on and so on..
> > The "thing" realy don't like to be play with and will leave you.
> >  It's normal to feel a little bet of disconfort at the begining of a
new,
> > great, adventure, but that the deal. You have to go throught the pain
and
> no
> > pill in the world will do the job for you.We have to win our own battle
> one
> > step at the time..
> > Francis
> > God bless
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "....Ken" <chayco at island.net>
> > To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hannah
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hello Hannah,
> > >
> > > The anxiety is rough. Have you tried 'clonidine' ?  You will need a
> > 'script.
> > > Do some on line research first to see if you think it is worthwhile
for
> > you.
> > >
> > > It lowers the blood pressure and it helped me through some rough
times.
> > >
> > >                          best regards.....Ken
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hannah Clay" <hannah.clay at ntlworld.com>
> > > To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Hannah
> > >
> > >
> > > > I must be really quick cuz I have to go to bed cuz I'm up early in
the
> > > > morning.  Basically I've been busy keeping clean ( :-)))) and my
PC's
> > been
> > > > down for ages.  I have 624 messages from the list to work through
and
> > > dunno
> > > > when I'll get round to it!  Hope everybody's ok and happy?  I've
been
> up
> > > and
> > > > down.  I've dabbled so I guess I'm not clean but I FEEL clean!  It
> > doesn't
> > > > rule my life anymore though I still unfortunately have a few
problems
> > with
> > > > people from the scene.  I feel like its ages since I had any but now
I
> > see
> > > > it was only 8 days ago but only a tiny bit.  Put it like this-in the
> > past
> > > > 4.5wks I've had it 4 times n that's AMAZING for me.  Today I was
> > > unfortunate
> > > > enough to have to sit in a room with people doing it but I felt
> NOTHING!
> > > > Its like I can see rationally again.  And when I have slipped its
been
> > > small
> > > > amounts and each time I've instantly regretted it.  I'm down from
8mg
> to
> > > 2mg
> > > > of Subutex a day.  It feels like its been months!  I don't want
> anymore
> > > > though I'm taking it one day at a time.  Most people don't know but
> even
> > > > those that don't have said how much happier and healthier I look.
I'm
> > > still
> > > > cut up about being dumped from my 3yr relationship but I'm used to
it
> > now
> > > > and enjoying the freedom-my flat's never been so tidy!  Now there's
no
> > man
> > > > to mess it up as soon as I've cleaned it! ;-)  I said I was gonna be
> > quick
> > > > and I really must go.  I'm working on my self-confidence and just
> > started
> > > my
> > > > Open University course so I can finally complete the last 2yrs of my
> BSc
> > > > Psychology degree!  I'm very poor on benefits and trying to pay rent
> > alone
> > > > etc but compared to when I was doing gear I'm rich!  I can't believe
> all
> > > the
> > > > money I threw away (or shot up my veins)-now I can see how much £25
> > > actually
> > > > buys you!  I can't believe I was spending hundreds some days!  I was
> > > getting
> > > > badly into crack aswell so really my boyf did the best thing.
Without
> > him
> > > > judging me and making me feel ashamed I'm a totally different
person.
> > > I've
> > > > met loads of new (clean) friends and now actually have a social
life!
> I
> > > > walk my dog miles each day and I'm getting back into my Yoga and
> trying
> > to
> > > > eat healthily.  I am taking the odd Valium tough, probably 3 a
> week-will
> > > > this become a problem?  Its just I still get periods of intense
> despair
> > > and
> > > > anxiety, especially about starting my course and they really help.
I
> > > don't
> > > > want to abuse them though, just use them if I really need them.
This
> is
> > > > turning into an essay!  I've missed you guys so much and always
> wondered
> > > how
> > > > you're all doing.  I'll probably have to put a couple of days aside
to
> > get
> > > > through this backlog!  Oh and my friend is training in Reflexology
so
> I
> > > get
> > > > that weekly too!
> > > >
> > > > Now I really must go!  I just wanted to share the good news.  Its
> > doesn't
> > > > sound so great on paper but it honestly feels like months to me!  I
> grow
> > > > stronger every day and suddenly I have a future!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for caring,
> > > > Loads and loads of love to you all,
> > > > Hannah :-)
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ms Iboga" <ms_iboga at yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:57 PM
> > > > Subject: [Ibogaine] Hannah
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Hannah,
> > > > >
> > > > > how are ya, girl?  Haven't heard from you in a
> > > > > while...wondering how yer doin'?
> > > > >
> > > > > love Julie
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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