chipping turned back to habit,again

shelley krupa skrupa20022002 at
Thu Jan 6 13:56:26 EST 2005

Hi Yall ,its been a while since Ive posted.Last time I did ,I think I was celebrating the fact that I got past the 6 month mark post ibogaine without going back to the same ol'same ol'.I had been chipping ,well using hydrocodone or oxy once or twice a week orally.Cant say exactly when I crossed the line ,but i know the holiday stuff is difficult for me,to say the least.I even went off on a coke binge smoking crack a day and a half.Well ,i noticed I had violent diarrhea and sweats,Im back there,again.My habit is very light,I can go 24 hours or more without using,but Im addicted.I had a falling out with my best friend when I told her Ive been slipping.Ive been calling in sick at work,spending money,etc,you know the drill.Im commited to work until the end of February,schedule wise.Ive been contemplating going to Sara's in the spring.But I know if I continue using whats to come,a heavier habit,more debt,my deal is online supply,some street supply but nothing reliable,to say the least.So
 rather than continuing the downward spiral,Ive decided to do a brief buprenex detox.I called the doc that helped me last year,he was more than happy to help , it'll even cost alot less too.Of course bup is not my first choice, I love ibogaine to detox.But Im at the point where I still have enough free will to decide rather than being backed into a corner with calamity.I dont have to keep on fucking up to the point that Ive lost my job & put my nursing license in jeaprody.I also have hep c ,and all the tylenol in the pills is scary too.Im not big on 12 step,especially after doing ibogaine 3 times,but I need to take some action now.Lonliness is a big reason why I picked up again,I was doing Smart online,no meetings here.Im not hooked up with a therapist whose hip to ibogaine,and live in the bible belt.The list in a godsend,to be sure ,but I need to look people in the eye and get hugs.So Ive chosen bup to get unhooked for now ,maybe Sara's will be an option come March ,but for now
 ...Im trying to avoid the "oh why do I fuck up again & again" deal,angd just get back on the path.Im grateful to yall for the attention & care shown on this list,guess its my turn to ask for support.I know it'll be hard without the noribogaine that skips the post detox depression,but this feels like the best choice.Please send good intention prayers my way.feels pretty dismal and my thinking is screwed,but Im on the way back!!!!!Love yall and will be psting more now -shell

Brad Fisher <brad.fisher at> wrote:This report does not even begin to give an accurate description of what an
addict of a few years of heavy use will endure...
When I was called (once) as a follow-up, after a few minutes they did not
want to talk to me any more and needless to say they never called back.
AGAIN, the most horrible experiance of my 52 years..

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From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet at]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:31 PM
To: ibogaine at; drugwar at
Subject: [Ibogaine] rapid detox- egad!

hi all,
>From my friend Alex Burns at Disinfo. I'm reminded once again how little
fun this technique sounds.

> From Wired Magazine, available online at:
> Instant Detox Kick heroin in 24 hours - no willpower, withdrawal, or
> preaching required. Call it a cure. Call it junk science. Call it the
> one-step program.By Joshua DavisPage 1 of 4 next
> Bryan Peterson sat on the toilet in the master bathroom of his Palm
> Springs, California, home and tried to find a vein between his
> knuckles. It was virgin territory - he had never injected himself in a
> spot he couldn't cover up. But now that he'd been fired from his job
> in the estimating department of a construction company, he didn't care
> about covering up anymore. Plus, he couldn't find a vein in his arms,
> which were swollen with pools of pus and heroin. The thin, translucent
> blue veins snaking across the back of his hand filled him with joy. He
> slid the needle in beside his knucklebone. It hurt. Story Tools
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> Two weeks later, he'd blown out all the tiny veins in his hands and
> feet. Unable to absorb all that fluid, they burst, adding more blood
> to the already toxic mix festering under his skin. He started plunging
> the needle deep into his bicep, shooting heroin directly into the
> muscle. The drug seemed to sizzle as he injected it.
> Peterson was 36 and had been addicted for three years. Before that, he
> was just a normal working guy who liked to play guitar in a local rock
> band. Over the past two and a half years, he'd tried to kick his habit
> cold turkey three times and attended a few Narcotics Anonymous
> meetings. He'd make it through the first step - acknowledging that he
> was powerless over his addiction - and that was it. Even with the
> group therapy sessions and encouragement from fellow addicts, he
> couldn't stay clean for more than 10 days. The withdrawal pains were
> so unbearable, he fantasized about cutting off his legs to stop the
> aching. And when the pain subsided for a moment, he was racked with
> nausea and diarrhea. His body was holding him hostage: Either take the
> drug, it said, or you'll feel so much pain you'll want to die.
> Then one day Peterson was talking to a friend who mentioned a miracle
> treatment gaining popularity in the Los Angeles area. Doctors were
> anesthetizing addicts and using an intravenous drug cocktail to induce
> an almost instantaneous withdrawal from the heroin. Within 24 hours,
> an addict would be pronounced clean and sober. Peterson borrowed the
> $15,000 for the procedure from his family, shot up one last time, and
> headed for Orange County.
> "The 12-step program is an outdated 20th-century concept," says
> Clifford Bernstein, an assistant clinical professor of anesthesiology
> at UC Irvine and medical director of the Waismann Institute, the
> nation's leading rapid detox center. "For 70 years, thanks to
> Alcoholics Anonymous, addicts have been told they're suffering from a
> spiritual problem. AA assumes that you can talk someone out of their
> addiction - which is ridiculous. Addiction is a medical problem. If
> somebody has cancer, you don't try to talk them out of their disease."
> Bernstein's steeply angled eyebrows make him look surprised and angry.
> When he speaks, he's quiet and measured, but his expression suggests
> amazement at the foolish things people believe. His eyebrows arch even
> higher when he examines Peterson's ravaged arms.
> The procedure is scheduled to take place in the Garden Grove Hospital
> and Medical Center's intensive care unit, which Peterson now shares
> with a burn victim, a barely breathing obese woman, and a screaming
> elderly lady with multiple bone fractures. If he weren't about to
> undergo rapid detox, Peterson would be considered too healthy to be
> here. It's been 30 hours since he last shot up, and though he's well
> into the early stages of withdrawal, he's only suffering from a cold
> sweat, a dull ache in his leg, and a mounting panic.
> The reaction is normal. Opiate molecules have a chemical structure
> similar to endorphins - a natural hormone that regulates pain and
> pleasure. When a heroin user shoots up, the opiates in the drug plug
> into the nerve receptors normally occupied by endorphins. If opiates
> are administered repeatedly, endorphin production drops. The body has
> essentially been tricked into short-circuiting the natural
> pain-pleasure regulation system.
> The addiction turns ugly when the opiate is withheld. Without the
> presence of either the opiates or the natural endorphins, an addict's
> pain receptors cease to regulate brain signals. The unimpeded flow of
> stimulation causes acute pain while triggering a cascade of reactions
> throughout the body: sweating, uncontrollable diarrhea, vomiting, and
> severe depression. It's not fatal - though it may feel like it - and
> the addict often relapses just to stop the torment. It usually takes
> two to three weeks of suffering before natural endorphin production
> resumes and the pleasure-pain equilibrium is restored.
> Considering the ordeal, it's not surprising that quitting cold turkey
> works only about 5 percent of the time. To improve on that success
> rate, drug treatment experts have traditionally relied on three
> approaches: methadone, symptomatic treatment, and Narcotics Anonymous.
> Methadone, and its modern substitute buprenorphine, are opiates that
> don't produce a high. An addict taking these drugs has essentially
> moved from a risky, illegal dependency to a safer, legal one. But if
> they don't take the methadone, withdrawal begins within hours. For
> users who don't want to be addicted to any substance, treating the
> symptoms with a combination of anti-nausea, antidiarrheal, and
> sedation drugs can help ease the pain of withdrawal. Finally, the
> support of an NA group is usually recommended in conjunction with all
> other treatments. These methods have a success rate of 30 percent to
> 40 percent after a year.
> Bernstein says he has a better way to kick opiate addiction - one that
> painlessly strips the drug from the brain's nerve receptors in 20
> minutes. The procedure, which relies on a combination of medicines, is
> carried out while the patient is anesthetized - a conscious patient
> would be in so much agony there would be risk of a heart attack.
> According to Bernstein, the roughly 2,500 patients the institute has
> treated wake up after an hour and are no longer addicted. Even if an
> addict were to shoot up after the procedure, there would be no effect.
> The opiate would be blocked from binding with the receptors already
> occupied by naltrexone, a drug which must be taken orally for a year.
> Bernstein says 65 percent of Waismann patients are still clean after a
> year.
> Critics dismiss those numbers and denounce the Waismann method as a
> scam that takes advantage of desperate addicts. But the American
> Society of Addiction Medicine has come out in support of the
> treatment, and the society's former president claims that it's one of
> the most innovative developments in the field since the advent of the
> 12-step program in the 1930s.
> With a recent surge in the abuse of opiate-based painkillers such as
> OxyContin, the institute's business is booming. He has put up
> billboards across the country and has explained the procedure on MTV,
> CBS, and NBC. So far, he's drowning out his critics. And, like Lasik
> eye surgery in the 1990s, rapid detox is making the transition from
> experimental technique to standard procedure offered nationwide.
> Competitors have emerged: A rival rapid detox center opened last year
> in Los Angeles, and there are centers in Colorado, Florida, Illinois,
> Michigan, New Jersey, and New York. Hundreds of addicts are going
> through rapid detox each year, and proponents like Bernstein are
> positioning the approach as a modern, humane alternative to Narcotics
> Anonymous.
> Which makes Peterson an early adopter. Now anesthetized, he lies
> almost motionless in the intensive care unit. Blue fluid is being
> pumped through his veins. Withdrawal has never been so easy. But it's
> also never been so deadly.
> In 1988, Austrian physician Norbert Loimer was studying opiate
> withdrawal when he discovered that injecting addicts with naloxone -
> the intravenous form of the opiate blocker naltrexone - achieved what
> he referred to as "acute detoxification." It was accompanied by
> intense suffering, which he tried to alleviate by sedating the
> patients. It worked. His experimental process condensed the typical
> weeks-long withdrawal into a matter of days. Though he believed that
> the procedure was too dangerous to be offered to the public, he
> published his findings in a medical journal, where they were read with
> interest by addiction medicine specialists.
> One of them was Lance Gooberman, an American MD who concluded that the
> danger of Loimer's rapid detox method was outweighed by the fact that
> addicts were dying on the streets every day. Gooberman knew the risks
> of drug dependence first hand - he was an alcoholic and had been
> hooked on methamphetamines before he began treating other addicts. He
> understood that many junkies wouldn't even consider kicking -
> conventional detox scared them too much. A faster, less painful
> withdrawal could mean the difference between going into treatment and
> death for many. So in 1994 Gooberman took Loimer's experimental work
> and turned it into a business.
> Over the next five years, Gooberman performed more than 2,300 rapid
> detoxifications in his offices in Philadelphia and southern New
> Jersey. According to county coroners, seven of those addicts died of
> complications relating to the procedure. That was enough for David
> Samson, New Jersey's attorney general, to file civil charges against
> Gooberman in October 1999, accusing him of "repeated gross
> malpractice, professional negligence, professional incompetence, and
> professional misconduct." Samson contended that rapid detox was an
> unproven treatment that put too much strain on patients' bodies. It
> just wasn't reasonable, the complaint explained, to assume that a
> two-week ordeal could be safely condensed into an hour. He argued that
> Gooberman was promising more than he could deliver and creating "a
> clear and imminent danger to the public's health, safety, and
> welfare."
> While Gooberman was building his practice on the East Coast, Bernstein
> was recruited to head up the Waismann Institute in Beverly Hills,
> California. The institute was founded by Clare Waismann, a Brazilian
> businesswoman who realized that rapid detox addressed an unmet need.
> The market was crowded with 12-step programs and methadone clinics,
> but all of them required addicts to stick with a program. Rapid detox
> largely removed willpower from the experience - it was a concept
> Waismann thought would make her institute the dominant detox facility
> on the West Coast and, eventually, in the nation.
> Bernstein was an ideal partner. He had attended a respected medical
> school (Rutgers), understood opiate addiction, and was a med school
> faculty member. He was energetic, believed in the treatment, and was
> ready to devote his credentials and time to winning mainstream
> acceptance for it.
> But the headlines generated by the case against Gooberman weren't
> making it easy. Gooberman was on trial, but the defendant in the
> three-year case was really the procedure itself. Most of the testimony
> concerned the alleged dangers and benefits of rapid detox. And since
> the FDA does not regulate medical procedures, the case became a battle
> over the legitimacy of the treatment.
> Samson laid out his argument clearly, beginning with the obvious:
> Opiate withdrawal is a nonlethal condition, but seven of Gooberman's
> patients had died. Anesthesia alone carries a small risk of death.
> When coupled with an infusion of novel drugs, there's no telling how
> dangerous it can be, particularly since there have been no large-scale
> scientific studies on the procedure's effectiveness. In essence, he
> was saying that the cure was worse than the disease.
> David Smith, a leading addiction doctor and former president of the
> American Society of Addiction Medicine, disagreed. Smith testified
> that rapid detox was the procedure of last resort for addicts who had
> tried everything else and failed. Many of them just couldn't withstand
> the pain of withdrawal. Gooberman offered them another option. His
> patients came from a population whose health was already compromised -
> just treating them was a risk. But the fact that he tried to help them
> didn't mean he was responsible for their deaths. "How many would have
> died if they'd stayed on drugs?" Smith asks. "Treatment is not a
> threat to public health, and the attorney general did a disservice by
> trying to criminalize it."
> The judge in the case agreed that Samson was overreaching. In a
> 353-page opinion handed down at the end of 2002, he concluded there
> was no evidence that rapid detox "caused or contributed" to the seven
> deaths. He called the treatment "potentially promising" - but rebuked
> Gooberman for a variety of medical oversights, fined him $11,500, and
> revoked his license for six months. The attorney general appealed, and
> Gooberman soon settled the case out of court. He agreed to pay
> $375,500 to the state and $30,000 to the families of the deceased. He
> also agreed to have his medical license revoked for two years. His
> reputation was damaged beyond repair. No hospital would hire him, and
> he disappeared from public view.
> That left one man in the media spotlight - just in time for a surge in
> demand. Bernstein made it through rapid detox's early years without a
> fatality, and now OxyContin abuse was skyrocketing. The treatment had
> been legally vindicated, and Bernstein's main competitor on the
> national stage couldn't practice medicine anymore.
> Bernstein smiles as the cameraman holds the shot. It's early in 2001,
> and the Gooberman case rages on. 48 Hours, the CBS newsmagazine show,
> is documenting the plight of Troy Swett, a 22-year-old OxyContin
> addict. Swett has just arrived at the hospital in Orange County to be
> detoxed, and Bernstein is ready for his close-up. "Congratulations for
> coming," Bernstein says, shaking Swett's hand. "It's the first step."
> In a traditional 12-step program, the first step is to admit
> powerlessness over the addiction. Now, according to Bernstein, the
> first step is arriving at the Waismann Institute. This kind of
> national exposure is important for Bernstein. It's an opportunity to
> continue redefining how the public thinks about addiction.
> During the segment, Bernstein notes that 90 to 95 percent of his
> patients are clean after a month. The on-air reporter asks about
> long-term effectiveness, to which Bernstein replies, "People walk out
> of here, their withdrawal is finished, and they're not craving." And
> the segment moves on.
> But the numbers deserve more scrutiny. They are compiled by the
> Waismann staff without independent confirmation. They are also based
> solely on follow-up phone calls, and there's no guarantee that
> everyone is called. (At least one Waismann client, OxyContin addict
> Tim Lincoln, says he was never contacted after he returned home to
> Texas. He relapsed after two months.) Bernstein doesn't defend the
> absolute accuracy of the success rate stats. "Maybe it's a little
> off," he says, "but it's still much, much higher than methadone or
> Narcotics Anonymous programs."
> Even substantiated statistics wouldn't necessarily prove that rapid
> detox is better than conventional treatments. The type of patients who
> come to the Waismann Institute tend to have more family and social
> support and can afford the $15,000 fee. They are more likely to get
> clean in any kind of treatment program. And there's another twist:
> Bernstein says that about 70 percent of his patients are addicted to
> prescription painkillers. He admits that the success rate for heroin
> addicts is probably lower, but he doesn't know the exact figure.
> Still, Waismann advertises a single success rate - 65 percent - and is
> therefore luring heroin abusers with a potentially exaggerated
> promise.
> Bernstein cites independent studies to buttress his claims. A study
> from the University of Miami School of Medicine in 2000 reports a 55
> percent abstinence rate six months after rapid detoxification. A
> German clinical investigation in 2000 found a 68 percent success rate
> at 12 months. But neither study compared the procedure with a control
> group, so it's impossible to state whether patients would have been
> more or less successful with another treatment.
> Herbert Kleber, director of the division on substance abuse at
> Columbia University, takes issue with Bernstein's claims. "I challenge
> him to take 100 addicts off the street and show a 65 percent success
> rate," Kleber says. "He won't be able to."
> Kleber has just completed the largest scientific study of rapid detox
> to date, and his numbers don't come close to matching Bernstein's.
> Using a $1 million grant from the National Institute on Drug Abuse,
> Kleber followed 105 abusers through rapid detox and two other
> treatments. He found that after three months, rapid detox fared no
> better than other methods.
> But even if it doesn't work as advertised, it's still a useful
> treatment that can seem like a miracle cure. Even Tim Lincoln, the
> relapsed OxyContin addict from Texas, grudgingly admits it served a
> purpose. Before he went to see Bernstein, he tried to quit twice, only
> to suffer a week of diarrhea, nausea, and severe depression each time.
> Though he didn't feel good after rapid detox, he didn't have any
> diarrhea or nausea. Essentially, Bernstein's treatment allowed him to
> skip that first and most painful week of the process.
> It was an illusory victory - Lincoln relapsed within two months. He
> eventually found the willpower to suffer through the withdrawal on his
> own and, with the help of Narcotics Anonymous, is clean now. But for
> addicts who cannot make it through that first week of withdrawal any
> other way, the $15,000 procedure may be their only hope. And for white
> collar addicts - business executives, doctors, celebrities, sports
> stars - the quick fix promised by rapid detox is a powerful draw.
> Amanda, a busy Northern California medical-supply sales rep who asked
> that her real name not be used, was popping 20 Vicodins a day but
> didn't want to take a lot of time to deal with her addiction. Before
> she found out about Waismann, she was preparing for a 30-day detox in
> Malibu. Bernstein, she says, cured her in a weekend: "They put me
> under Friday. I was a little groggy Saturday. By Sunday, I was ready
> to get back to work. And I had no desire for the pills."
> While criticism from within the medical community hasn't influenced
> Bernstein, competition may. In November, Chicago-based Midwest Rapid
> Opiate Detoxification Specialists opened a center in LA. Jake Epperly,
> the clinical director, distinguishes his method from the Waismann
> practice by emphasizing "the absolute necessity of a continuing care
> recovery program" based on Narcotics Anonymous. Epperly runs his own
> halfway house in Chicago and markets his group as the only rapid detox

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