[Ibogaine] OT: to Nick

The Garden GardenRestaurant at comcast.net
Mon Feb 7 16:29:39 EST 2005


Hi Nick !!
you wrote : The "saint in rapture" is just in the high of a bi-polar state,
hum...... :-))  LOL !!

*Look, just read one book on the Saints
Mysteries, Marvels and Miracles in the lives of the Saints
By Joan Carroll Cruz
575 pages of well documented Miracles of the Saints.
A very  fascinating discovery in the life of the Saints.

You wrote :
In this technique that you have developed for feeling good and staying
> > positive, is it that when someone criticizes you or gives you negative
> > feedback you just get out of the situation? I'm interested

* Actualy, this not my technique, this a technique that every human being
use everyday.
By the way, the specialist is one of your citizen :
William Bloom " the father of the English Hollistic movement "
If you want to read more about the subject , you can read his book : " The
endorphine effect "

*Yes ,this is the technique that I use everyday too stay positive and feel
good.
Why should I feel bad ? Give me a good reason ! If you are healthy, why
bother ?/!
In fact, I have a lot of fun. I work about 10 hours a day, everyday and I
have a lot of  fun living.
 I  like to do magic, I t do "metal bending", levitation and a bit of
sleight of hand. Only close magic. I am studing the technique  one of your
citizen now : Rowland, great magician. I love to make people laught , make
me and them  happy I like to help people too, so my life is fun and in fact
I am very positive, too much for some who do not me.
On the model of a club in Bombay. I would like to do  " the laughting club
number two "

* His no such thing as a negative feedback. It s just a feedback For the man
who send it, add the value. For me, a feedback is neutral.That my belief.
Honestly, I don't see why should I lie to please.
I am not surprise to get some " negative " feedback, I get some "positive"
too.  By the way, you told me that nothing is good nothing is bad.

God bless
Francis






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Sandberg" <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT: to Carla


>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick Sandberg [mailto:nick227 at tiscali.co.uk]
> > Sent: 07 February 2005 12:12
> > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] OT: to Carla
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: The Garden [mailto:GardenRestaurant at comcast.net]
> > > Sent: 07 February 2005 00:30
> > > To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] OT: to Carla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Carla !!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am not grouch again : ) Ron asked a question and I just told what
I
> > > think.I have been in this list several months and I just
> > realize that most
> > > of the people are still using and are fully immersed in the drugs
> > > culture .
> > > This is a fact. Now  I don't have to be judgmental about that.
> > I am nobody
> > > to judge .Its just a fact. I've read on the Ibogaine dossier
> > that the rate
> > > of recovery is low and this is true.You are right, they are not
> > too opened
> > > minded in AA or NA regarding Ibogaine. Too bad, I believe Ibogaine
could
> > > realy open a window to give the time to the alcoholic or addict
> > > to make the
> > > change necessary in his life .
> > > " Everything he said ( Patrick ) was about hope, belief and
> > having faith."
> > > That the point.The all point. Without hope, a profound change of
> > > your belief
> > > system, and faith. Is no way that an alcoholic or addict will
> > make it. He
> > > will swich eventually, will control the harm but........
> > >
> > > IMHO the only difference beetwen a Saint and a junky ready to shoot
and
> > > maybee to die , lie in three words, hope belief and faith.
> > > I am not specialy an AA man or belong specificly to a religion, I am
not
> > > even a good christian :-) I believe that AA or NA will help
> > enormously if
> > > the alcoholic or addict manage to stay long enought. to see the
> > > fruits.  One
> > > , need patience and humility.
> > >
> > >  I believe only in what's work. The only difference beetween a Saint
in
> > > rapture, in a complete state of Extasy and a alcoholic / addict ready
to
> > > commit suicide is theirs  level of Endorphine . Their own
> > personal control
> > > of the natural production of the pleasure molecule.We have this
natural
> > > gift, and is the right of every leaving creature. They found even
> > > endorphine
> >
> > Francis,
> >
> > The "saint in rapture" is just in the high of a bi-polar state. It's
not,
> > imo, long-term viable to try and put people, junkies or whoever, into
this
> > state all day long by fiddling with their neurochemistry, whether from
the
> > outside with drugs, or from the inside with meditations. Nice for a bit
> > though.
> >
> >
> > > in single cell organisme.. ....
> > > Let me explain a bit my idea : the body produce neuropetides.in
> > this case
> > > endorphine....... The neuropeptides change how the body
> > > feels.......the new
> > > feeling aftect our mood, our emotions, and the way we think........
and
> > > affects our behaviour........
> > > Or you can do exactly the contrary starting from your
> > > behaviour.... the way
> > > you think.... blabla bla
> > > Or you can start from the way you think....... blablabla.. Here,
> > > in the last
> > > case we are talking about belief system :-)
> > >
> > > NOW, you can shortcut, artificialy and trick your brain to
> > change the way
> > > you want it to fell.... ....with about the same reaction chaine
> > > but not with
> > > the same output as the natural process.Eventualy we can destroy our
> > > abilities to feel pleasure naturaly and to grow in mastering our
brain.
> > > For me this is a simple chemical and neural response that we have
> > > to learnt
> > > how to dominate..That all.
> > > Forget about, psycology, and all things in.... y  .
> > >
> > >  We are what we think .
> > >
> > > That was a long one ........ considering that I will quit
> > > writting  in this
> > > list this a sort of testament :-)
> > >
> >
> > In this technique that you have developed for feeling good and staying
> > positive, is it that when someone criticizes you or gives you negative
> > feedback you just get out of the situation? I'm interested.
> >
> > Nick
>
> Francis,
>
> Sorry, didn't read your last statement properly, you just mean you will
stay
> on the list and not write these type of messages anymore, I guess.
Apologies
> for not reading better.
>
> love
>
> Nick
>
>
> >
> > > Love
> > > Francis
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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