[Ibogaine] Boosters

Preston Peet ptpeet at nyc.rr.com
Tue Aug 30 17:54:18 EDT 2005


Not sure if I agree with the "fear" and "trust" ideas ennunciated below 
Nick, but I did agree with your last note, in reply to Ed Conn,  about the 
boosters issue.

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Preston

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Sandberg" <nick227 at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine at mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters


>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet at nyc.rr.com]
>> Sent: 29 August 2005 05:40
>> To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>>
>>
>> Someone with the incredibly unlikely name of Ed Conn wrote in part
>> >The question is this when does one
>>  learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
>> actually find out who they are by allowing theirbrain/mind/body/soul to
>> communicate to them with out the need for artifice - which came first the
>> chicken or the egg - the human or the drug - so humans cant live w/out
>> drugs??<
>>
>> To which I must reply in brief.
>> As someone who has had mixed results with ALL treatment modalities,
>> including ibogaine, I've personally found I LIKE being able to
>> take ibogaine
>> every few months, realign my brain and body, and not do my
>> recovery how you
>> feel I must to be without "artifice." What exactly do you mean by
>> that, and
>> how do you tell someone living in chornic pain, or was introduced
>> to opiates
>> by a doctor at some point through severe surguries and the like that they
>> are NOT normal or living naturally by wanting to continue to use opiates
>> that work to stiffle that overwhelming pain? Who the heck are you
>> or anyone
>> to tell me or anyone else what's the best route for us to take in
>> terms of
>> our pain, our addiction, or our use patterns? Who are you? What
>> else do you
>> bring to this table other than complaints and huff?
>> Thanks for your time, and I look forward to a reply, but doubt
>> I'm going to
>> get one.
>>
>>
>> Peace and love,
>> Preston Peet
>>
>
> Hey Preston,
>
> Without actually wishing to commence another of our long-winded arguments, 
> I
> would simply like to point out that there may well be a relationship 
> between
> the point at which you allow... "anyone to tell me or anyone else what's 
> the
> best route for us to take in terms of our pain, our addiction, or our use
> patterns".... and healing to take place. To heal you do have to trust. A 
> lot
> of people come to ibogaine through a desire to "self-heal", to be able to
> manage their own recovery process, to stay in control of it. This is what
> actually attracts them to the drug. I think the best outcome for most of
> these guys is that they see clearly in the ibogaine session the fear
> position beneath this need to stay in control. They realize that trust is
> their actual issue. Then they can move beyond the fear and allow others 
> in.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> 
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