abeatty at abeatty at
Mon Aug 29 04:45:47 EDT 2005

It is hard to sit still. Takes practice. Even in stillness, we move to get
No-thought is kindof an inacheivable ideal. Initially, as one practices
mind stillness, one becomes more aware of everything, and there can be
almost immediate practical benefits like better organization and
relaxation, as you said.
It's good for meditation to keep the spine straight.
Right. There are many variations, walking meditation, thru the woods maybe.

One of the main lessons I have learned from this list is how individual our
needs are. Some people need boosters, some don't, and everything inbetween.
Many people on this list have very serious physical issues that
realistically may require life-long medication and/or therapy. The medical
peops have not developed their pain control area well enough yet.

I was on the list for about a year, about a year ago. My computer suddenly
had a collapse and we went thru an adjustment. Now I'm up on a fast system,
with new addresses (got rid of aol), etc..

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 3:37:49 +0000 (GMT), "Matthew Shriver"
<matt at> wrote:
> I have actually been checking this out recently at the advice of friends
> (and it's part of the 11th step which I am on).  My experience was that I
> couldn't sit still for more than a few minutes and the whole time was just
> repeated realizations that I was lost in thought.  After 3 to 5 minutes of
> that I would just get frustrated and give it up.  And after trying that for
> 3 or 4 days a week for a week and half or so I would just stop doing it with
> the major criticism being that I wasn't seeing any positive results.
> So after talking to people about it and their experiences with it I was told
> two things which I feel are important.  First that there are different ways
> to meditate and that getting hung up on one idea of how it's supposed to be
> done isn't helpful.  So I have had to let go of my concept of what proper
> mediation is a little.  I like to read a lot of Buddhist literature and I
> tended to think of meditation as a state of no-thought, something I cannot
> achieve.  The second thing that someone who meditates daily told me was that
> initially, the greatest benefit will come from the discipline of doing it
> daily and not so much from the sitting itself.
> One thing that had often turned me off to meditation is the time investment
> people would talk about.  Someone would say, "oh if you do it for an hour a
> day for a few months you'll be amazed..." and I would think, "yeah right,
> who has an extra hour a day to sit and meditate?"
> But my more recent experience has been more positive.  I sit every morning
> for 3-5 minutes, however long I feel like.  And I don't put any expectations
> on it about having fewer thoughts or catching them quicker or concentrating
> on the breath or anything else.  I just sit and try and be with the spirit
> of the universe for a few minutes, nothing more.  And I have to say that now
> I am experiencing a positive benefit.  I feel lighter when I am done and
> more ready to face the day.  My head will start churning about the shit I
> need to do for work before I even get out of bed and sitting in the morning
> is a good way of stopping that mental traffic for a few and starting with a
> clearer mental space.
> Matt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: abeatty at [mailto:abeatty at]
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:07 AM
> To: ibogaine at
> Subject: [Ibogaine] meditation
> I don't mean to sound preachy, but this means so much to me that I want to
> share:
> Please keep meditating, even off and on.
> Start by sitting still, just 5 min. Do this for a month (week..) and your
> life
> will change. Try for 20 min., an hour. This calms the body. Observe your
> thoughts. Let them go. Silence your thoughts. When thoughts arise again,
> silence
> the thoughts. Sit in the silence. Keep still.
> Most of us don't live in reality, especially us on drugs, etc. We see
> reality
> through a veil. Most addicts, at least, know about the veil.
> Meditation can get us in touch with reality. It can break the attachments
> that
> hook us into patterns through thoughts.
> This can be done alone, at home, for free. It's nice to have a group, too,
> for
> support.
> You may go to most buddhist meditation groups without telling your story.
> It's
> not like AA. It's not a religion either.
> Good luck,
> Andy
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