[Ibogaine] Boosters

sara119 at xs4all.nl sara119 at xs4all.nl
Mon Aug 29 01:07:49 EDT 2005


if someone wants to be judgmental , that's fine, but first try to walk a
mille
in that person's shoes before.

S.




 You know this whole thing about 'boosters' - it sounds like a load of old
> junky talk and boils down to this - not being able to live with
> uncomfortable feelings, wanting to avoid ones own real feels and
> supplement
> them for an artificially created one and were the 'ibogaine scene' becomes
> a
> supplementation policy rather than a detoxification programme. Its bollox
> -
> the excuse perpetrated is that because it or any other 'entheogenic'
> substance does'nt have a physical dependency risk its ok. But whos making
> the claims - the people who are doing it. The question is this when does
> one
> learn or atleast tentatively learn to live with ones own feelings and
> actually find out who they are by allowing their brain/mind/body/soul to
> communicate to them with out the need for artifice - which came first the
> chicken or the egg - the human or the drug - so humans cant live w/out
> drugs??  Theres a lot of people out there perpetrating things w/out having
> compared them to long term alternatives i.e w/out. The addict is a part of
> your self which at some point in one life one will or will not choose to
> take head on, the addict has needs for sure but maybe to be listened too
> not
> to be fed so that it shuts up....sound like a parent to you anyone???? So
> who takes care of that voice and who smothers it or shuts it out??? What
> does wisdom say to do...is that not after all what the vector of ibogaine
> is
> trying to initialise in consciousness - awareness??? But it does'nt effect
> free will, we were blessed with that after all and so the rebels keep the
> pretence up for pretence sake. So where are the providers suggesting that
> rather than some artifice of a mixed up psychiatric model???  Is there
> ANYBODY out there???? Or is it just voices..........
>
> Ed.
>
>
>>From: "Sjonnygee ." <sjonnygee at msn.com>
>>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:55:05 +0100
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>>Thanks Matt bro - yeah you're right , I'll look into it
>> more..............
>>sjonny.
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>>From: "matthew zielinski" <mattzielinski at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>To: ibogaine at mindvox.com
>>Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Boosters
>>Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:35:20 -0400
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>>Hey there
>>
>>I guess it depends what u are lookin for.......if u want visions etc
>> better
>>take a biger dose.....if u just want to bring back that ibo feeling a
>> small
>>dose will do fine
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>>Dont have much expeirence with it so im sure other people will give u
>> more
>>comprehensive coments but if u are getting cravings im sure even a small
>>dose will bring u back  in to that clear  lovey dovey state of mind
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>>all the best
>>
>>matt
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